Look forward to what we can accomplish & developing a framework for the next waves, to have a seamless and easy method of making sure SStonk regains the trust of it's community and continues being a trustworthy place for GME Investors to congregate and share ideas seamlessly
Look forward to what we can accomplish & developing a framework for the next waves, to have a seamless and easy method of making sure SStonk regains the trust of it's community and continues being a trustworthy place for GME Investors to congregate and share ideas seamlessly
@luma44 will there be a post sent out sometime this weekend/ Monday listing all SCC members and our goals + a place for SStonk users to voice/ upvote issues they want us to focus on initially?
I would make a post, but I feel like it might be better coming from Mods, since ya'll will get your posts up to the front far more easily
Yes, there will be a community update post which I will put out. It will list everybody who is involved, identify the two that dropped out, sort of rehash the purpose of the project, and also announce, formally, our new mod who just completed his training
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Skytoph is SkySeaToph on Reddit and just completed a roughly 6 week onboarding
As a heads up, I will be in and out for a bit. Feel free to make yourself at home. Kick the tires. Ask questions in #ask-a-mod . Ping us in #tag-a-mod .
I wanted to take a second a talk about 2 side projects that has been on my docket but just haven't gotten around to. I'd love some help if anyone has some spare time (100% voluntary).
1) complete review of the banned words list. The idea is that we will post all the words in the banned list and let you guys review and give us your thoughts on should/shouldn't be on there. This will be done in the #side projects channel (when I make it)
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2) I'd love to create a new....megathread/information page. Intended to kinda be a high level, one stop shop for any new people who wander in the sub. It's easy to say "Ken Griffin lied under oath", but I would love to link to various posts specifically about a ton of topics:
Ken Griffin Lied under oath.
Countless times MSM has deliberately misinformed something about GME (like shitty graphs not showing the post split price, or talking about insiders selling when it was for tax purposes).
A post about MSM posting articles about a dip before it happened.
Etc etc.
Ultimately it would be a reddit post used to navigate to more information depending on the subject.(edited)
In terms of structure, the design is SCC team meets mod team on sort of a level playing field. What sort of structure do you think would benefit that design? The idea is that anybody can bring a post or question to the table and benefit from its discussion
You could start by answering the question, please, since idk if we have any as it stands
luma44
In terms of structure, the design is SCC team meets mod team on sort of a level playing field. What sort of structure do you think would benefit that design? The idea is that anybody can bring a post or question to the table and benefit from its discussion
If the playing field was level, we would have some degree of power to take actions. We do not. Afaik, we are, in the present iteration, simply a watchdog group with a small voice. No actionable resources or interactables
1:28 PM
Did you miss me tearing things apart and asking too many questions?! Lol
We don't know what the end result will look like, if I'm being honest. This is a large project with multiple potential futures.
A lot of why we are here is for transpancy into what we do and the thought process that goes behind making decisions. Opening up to the SCC of the discussions (and often debates) that go on as far as post removals/user problems etc.
It's an ambitious project. It may devolve into a bitch session about how we are all bought and are sus af. Or it will be the start of finding the middle between full transparency and none.
Lyrad (Crybad)
We don't know what the end result will look like, if I'm being honest. This is a large project with multiple potential futures.
A lot of why we are here is for transpancy into what we do and the thought process that goes behind making decisions. Opening up to the SCC of the discussions (and often debates) that go on as far as post removals/user problems etc.
It's an ambitious project. It may devolve into a bitch session about how we are all bought and are sus af. Or it will be the start of finding the middle between full transparency and none.
If the playing field was level, we would have some degree of power to take actions. We do not. Afaik, we are, in the present iteration, simply a watchdog group with a small voice. No actionable resources or interactables
Can you do me a favor and reduce your questions of the most specific and actionable direct question that you can. It seems very philosophical and I'm struggling with exactly what you're asking. The way I interpreted your initial question was that there were some server permissions that you wanted me to add to the role. And I was asking you what sorts of permissions you felt should be included. As far as the hierarchy here I want everybody to be able to create threads and forum posts and bring things to the table for discussion equally. So if I misunderstood your question as not being about server permissions as far as discord setup is concerned I don't think I'm tracking what you're asking
2:44 PM
Part of this is that I'm dealing with a lot of stuff at the same time so my focus is, as per usual, split
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I thought you were asking me if the purple group could have additional server permissions built into their role and I was asking you what sorts of permissions you were looking for
2:44 PM
If that's not the conversation that we're having then I don't think I'm on the same page
Is the "review this" still being made, because it just looks like a bunch of smart people info and tests to me at the moment. Also, is there some instructions for what I can/should do, or will this be more of a group discussion thing?
Rixxi Rustrivet
Is the "review this" still being made, because it just looks like a bunch of smart people info and tests to me at the moment. Also, is there some instructions for what I can/should do, or will this be more of a group discussion thing?
Okay so it was about server perms primarily. Here's what I'll do to make it easier... In a little bit I can screenshot you the current settings for the SCC role permissions
2:53 PM
That's no problem then you can see if I'm missing something
The second part is the more philosophical part. We're sort of all here defining what that looks like. Ideally the goal wasn't really to weaponize callouts... It was to have you guys help us make better decisions proactively. At the end of the welcome video I mentioned that I would love to do like live mod work in a streaming environment in this discord. We also want you to be able to see what's being removed so that you can cry foul if you think that we mistakenly removed something. And then we can restore it before things become blown out of proportion.
Rixxi Rustrivet
Okay. Well if there's something I need to do, just poke me. I'll check out the video now. Thanks!
In addition to that, We will bring items to this team for proactive discussion before we take action and get input.
2:55 PM
So part of this is watchdog but in truth that's sort of the reactive phase and probably the least helpful. Part of it is advisory board. That's where we're really being proactive in getting more input from the community before we make sweeping decisions about posts or rules
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And if that feels a little vague which is a fair criticism partly it's because this is day two. You know how it's going in our heads... But we welcome your input.
2:56 PM
So as we get into the actual work which will start over the next few days if you can think of a way to make this better let's chat it out
luma44
In addition to that, We will bring items to this team for proactive discussion before we take action and get input.
Like this. Should this users comment be removed, should he be talked to about vague threats to string people up on the white house lawn, or should they get a timeout and how long?
I say this violates the rules and deserves a temp. Opinions are all fine amd dandy, and I may even agree with a lot of what they say, but sstonk isn't the place for it and such words risk the sub as a whole
I’m downvoting this one. Superstonk has found success at shining a light on where bullshit occurs. Not deciding on the consequences anyone faces. To that end, fantasizing about any capital punishment serves the sub no purpose and at worst paints apes as supportive of violence.
Remove comment, issue an explanation and reminder of the rules.
This is a passionate community, we're fighting, not only, for generational wealth to lift some of us out of the decades / generations of poverty and struggle, but for a system that FINALLY is there for the little guy, the cogs that make the system work.
While we understand the struggle many may be going through and the rage they have, SStonk is not the place to vent that kind of commentary.
We live in the gray of the financial market, but our community works in fact and thrives on speculation, to find the truth within that speculation, and discards the falsehoods we may find(edited)
I wanted to take a second a talk about 2 side projects that has been on my docket but just haven't gotten around to. I'd love some help if anyone has some spare time (100% voluntary).
1) complete review of the banned words list. The idea is that we will post all the words in the banned list and let you guys review and give us your thoughts on should/shouldn't be on there. This will be done in the #side projects channel (when I make it)
Not good at making posts but I’ll help if you tell me what you need.
Lyrad (Crybad)
Like this. Should this users comment be removed, should he be talked to about vague threats to string people up on the white house lawn, or should they get a timeout and how long?
What will the notification process (call to review) and expected turn around look like for answers from us. Case in point: you have a hot post that’s running but has some vague issue to get our input on. Would you have removed the post first and were waiting on this group to give a consensus? How many are the minimum to yay or nay it? How long do you put that post in a holding pattern waiting on this group? I’ve seen posts removed/restored periods of time that pretty much killed momentum and the mods look sus for killing said momentum.
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I’m playing scroll catch-up so sorry if this was addressed already
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Another point or question.
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So, what kind of options or method can we or superstonk provide the community the ability to review the mod log for these sorts of actions? Can there perhaps be a log of all post reviews made by this group that a member could audit? Like, say for instance I see this running post about something “big”. The post gets yoinked for some review reason and just never gets restored. Can a superstonker look at our review history to see what was pulled, what was the consensus ? Over the last couple of years I found it annoying and sus when something I thought was removed and no clear explanation was available. I think a central one stop post or log could at least be available and SS mods can say “go check the log to see why it was removed”
Great question... let's unpack it a bit. Removing stuff from hot... sucks. We really try not to do it. Ideally, stuff that breaks rules or is problematic gets identified in new. It's never our intent to kill momentum, and we get the criticism(s) that come(s) with incidents like that.
I think, realistically, that it will probably not always happen one way. Let's use your example. Post hits hot and suddenly there's a problem. Maybe it's been debunked. Maybe it simply wasn't on the radar or reported, and it later gets reported. Maybe it's a clickbaity title that is misleading. Depending on what's going on, there are a lot of ways to react.
Continuing with your example: I think there will be instances where we are torn about removing a post and come to the team here proactively for input. There will be instances where we make a call, and you guys cry foul and we talk about it. Sometimes we'll be swayed to reverse it before there's a real outcry of frustration.
If it's just a crummy, misleading title, often enough those can be addressed with a sticky. If it's completed dubunked information... well that totally sucks to leave up because it's harmful to the community and sometimes can make us look foolish.
I respect if you don't love what I'm about to say, but it's the truth. There's no hard and fast rules here -- almost everything we touch is gray and subjective. I think we'll probably work together to come up with best practices for how to make the best calls as early as possible (that's the ideal), but the idea here is that you'll be able to see what stuff got removed and why. One of the criticism this addresses is that people feel we remove posts with no accountability for the purposes of controlling a narrative. You are here to ensure that is not occurring.
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As far as a central log - we can definitely debate this -- but there are pros and cons and, generally speaking, we're not in support of it on balance.
Maybe this discord could have one base channel that anyone can see and the running log is there via a bot or something. Sort of like Kiraverse discord has for sales of Kira’s…it just shows decisions with post links available for one to still find posts and see why it removed.
Transparency beyond this group will be key. Just saying this group reviewed something and they agreed with us will not be best. I mean, for 98% of the members, with likely 50% of those being bots, they won’t care…
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But that live 2%…
SPCΞMΞmbΞr593
Transparency beyond this group will be key. Just saying this group reviewed something and they agreed with us will not be best. I mean, for 98% of the members, with likely 50% of those being bots, they won’t care…
They have 3 channels for “sales” and it’s kinda cool. Not applicable per se, but I like a to the point ledger of what’s been sold/happening
12:15 AM
Maybe we have posts to vote on with reactions, they have a timer, then the consensus is written to the log. At least any rando could be told check the log, they can see what the consensus was… and then bitch about how the mods acted if they disagreed with us… or whatever the decision was.
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Anyway… gn for now.
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Maybe we have posts to vote on with reactions, they have a timer, then the consensus is written to the log. At least any rando could be told check the log, they can see what the consensus was… and then bitch about how the mods acted if they disagreed with us… or whatever the decision was.
I'm not a huge fan of the name or abbreviation, tbh. But other than that, the post seems decent enough. Maybe something more along the lines of Amalgamation of SuperStonk Community Updawgs and Memebers. Or ASSCUM, if you will
Tonal indicators can be a useful way to convey when you're being sarcastic, joking, serious or genuine among other things. You may see me and others use them so here's a guide:
@Community Corps Member - I have posted a rough draft of your announcement message to the sub here https://discord.com/channels/1098133959843512320/1108808506645164043/1152847185361240094. In it, I reference "feel free to reach out to these folks if you have questions/comments/ideas". We are going to create a tag like !mods! But !scc! Which you should be able to see like a report.
Does anyone have any feedback about the post generally? Am I overstepping in making you all available for contact if people have questions?(edited)
Yeah... My intention was that it would only be the reporting channel with minimal discussion and that we forum posts we're actually discussing(edited)
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Today is my last push to get that bot cooperative and compliant... But my intention is to model good behavior by creating a few forum posts and showing how's it done
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Otherwise yes that channel will be a s*** show(edited)
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Forums are fairly straightforward
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And we will also create multiple forums based on flair.(edited)
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So if people find themselves more interested in debating memes they can easily find those posts versus people who want to debate details about DD
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By having forum posts and then categories of forums... It should make it a lot more tidy
I love the idea of a tag system for the council. But why is everything happening on discord? Why not Reddit so everyone can at least view the discussions on the council sub (even if they can’t post) and can up and downvote to express their support for certain positions? There are a lot less Superstonk eyes on discord, which again means less active engagement and accountability for the council and mods. We don’t need a second layer of mods. We need a concentrated voice for the entire community to work with mods to address issues that affect the entire community. I’ll also say that the concerns of the community were not about posts that towed a fine line, were debunked, or removed temporarily while they were being reviewed. The concern is that the mods were deciding what was or was not true and removing posts that they didn’t agree with or deemed unworthy for posting, despite interest from the sub, and without letting the sub itself look into and vet the info. Like heat lamp, for example. Moving these discussions about superstonk to discord just strikes me as odd.
I would assume the no brigading crap would be a problem with using a restricted sub for this
RedditMarq
I love the idea of a tag system for the council. But why is everything happening on discord? Why not Reddit so everyone can at least view the discussions on the council sub (even if they can’t post) and can up and downvote to express their support for certain positions? There are a lot less Superstonk eyes on discord, which again means less active engagement and accountability for the council and mods. We don’t need a second layer of mods. We need a concentrated voice for the entire community to work with mods to address issues that affect the entire community. I’ll also say that the concerns of the community were not about posts that towed a fine line, were debunked, or removed temporarily while they were being reviewed. The concern is that the mods were deciding what was or was not true and removing posts that they didn’t agree with or deemed unworthy for posting, despite interest from the sub, and without letting the sub itself look into and vet the info. Like heat lamp, for example. Moving these discussions about superstonk to discord just strikes me as odd.
it's way harder to mod from reddit.. discord is just way better for intstant communication since a lot of things are time-sensitive
RedditMarq
I love the idea of a tag system for the council. But why is everything happening on discord? Why not Reddit so everyone can at least view the discussions on the council sub (even if they can’t post) and can up and downvote to express their support for certain positions? There are a lot less Superstonk eyes on discord, which again means less active engagement and accountability for the council and mods. We don’t need a second layer of mods. We need a concentrated voice for the entire community to work with mods to address issues that affect the entire community. I’ll also say that the concerns of the community were not about posts that towed a fine line, were debunked, or removed temporarily while they were being reviewed. The concern is that the mods were deciding what was or was not true and removing posts that they didn’t agree with or deemed unworthy for posting, despite interest from the sub, and without letting the sub itself look into and vet the info. Like heat lamp, for example. Moving these discussions about superstonk to discord just strikes me as odd.
Honestly, it is what plat said above. Also, it's because we can do things in discord that we can't in reddit. Reddit gives us no ability to communicate with one another in real time or organize conversations. Trying to manage all the chaos in a reddit chat would not work.
Diznavis
I would assume the no brigading crap would be a problem with using a restricted sub for this
Lately at least, and on balance, it's been a difficult relationship
9:19 AM
Now @Diznavis, nothing is stopping you guys, the SCC from self-coordinating something where you host screenshots or use Reddit chat or link to superstonk posts.
9:19 AM
If you feel like you can build a tool that benefits this team have at it
But we've created the solution that makes sense for us and we're hesitant to go battle the admins to create more reddit tools based on how our last few interactions have gone with them.(edited)
Now @Diznavis, nothing is stopping you guys, the SCC from self-coordinating something where you host screenshots or use Reddit chat or link to superstonk posts.
Is it possible to get a list of Reddit usernames for the council? It looks like we can tag people through the council sub and having the list would make it easier to tag everyone simultaneously when needed.
Reddit will only let you tag 3 people at a time, anything more than that will result in no one getting the notification
RedditMarq
Is it possible to get a list of Reddit usernames for the council? It looks like we can tag people through the council sub and having the list would make it easier to tag everyone simultaneously when needed.
we set up the discord alert !MODS! to get around losing username tags.. I'd almost be afraid that we'd get in trouble for going around a restriction they set on us - on that platform(edited)
I'd be more worried about overwhelming anyone new to discord. I can make them a SCC role in the Superstonk discord and they can feel free to talk anywhere, or we could create a separate channel. honestly w/e anyone wants to do
I'd be more worried about overwhelming anyone new to discord. I can make them a SCC role in the Superstonk discord and they can feel free to talk anywhere, or we could create a separate channel. honestly w/e anyone wants to do
I'm going to be in the voice channel streaming my modding session for the next 20 min or so. Drop by and say hi (or type in the voice channel open chat if you don't have/want to talk on a mic). I feel bad pinging people
RedditMarq
I love the idea of a tag system for the council. But why is everything happening on discord? Why not Reddit so everyone can at least view the discussions on the council sub (even if they can’t post) and can up and downvote to express their support for certain positions? There are a lot less Superstonk eyes on discord, which again means less active engagement and accountability for the council and mods. We don’t need a second layer of mods. We need a concentrated voice for the entire community to work with mods to address issues that affect the entire community. I’ll also say that the concerns of the community were not about posts that towed a fine line, were debunked, or removed temporarily while they were being reviewed. The concern is that the mods were deciding what was or was not true and removing posts that they didn’t agree with or deemed unworthy for posting, despite interest from the sub, and without letting the sub itself look into and vet the info. Like heat lamp, for example. Moving these discussions about superstonk to discord just strikes me as odd.
I like the idea of using Discord as well now. Since they removed 3rd party applications Reddit is so much more clunky and hard to use. I'm sure my time on Reddit has decreased a ton. (RIP Reddit is Fun)
As for the post itself I don't mind being reached out to but engagement time will vary from day to day as I'm sure it will for most.
SatansBoobieTassel
I like the idea of using Discord as well now. Since they removed 3rd party applications Reddit is so much more clunky and hard to use. I'm sure my time on Reddit has decreased a ton. (RIP Reddit is Fun)
As for the post itself I don't mind being reached out to but engagement time will vary from day to day as I'm sure it will for most.
Discord and sub mods both have methods of taking a hiatus. I'm certain that setting up a system to hiatus a SCC member is workable.
We use roles to make all channels except the hangout one invisible so you're not tempted to check and can't feel guilty for taking time for health or family. But SCC can handle it differently if desired.
Lairian -Flairy Type-
Discord and sub mods both have methods of taking a hiatus. I'm certain that setting up a system to hiatus a SCC member is workable.
We use roles to make all channels except the hangout one invisible so you're not tempted to check and can't feel guilty for taking time for health or family. But SCC can handle it differently if desired.
Yeah we basically have replicated the mod hiatus system. We have a hiatus roll that only gives you access to one channel to avoid temptation and to avoid bring you chiming in with an uninformed opinion because you've not been around for much.
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So if anybody wants to take an extended break more than a week or anything without any check in just let us know and we'll put you in hiatus
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But as long as everybody's checking in at least once a week no need
Lairian -Flairy Type-
Discord and sub mods both have methods of taking a hiatus. I'm certain that setting up a system to hiatus a SCC member is workable.
We use roles to make all channels except the hangout one invisible so you're not tempted to check and can't feel guilty for taking time for health or family. But SCC can handle it differently if desired.
@Quanatee the problem with getting a threshold on posts in general is time. We had 3 SCC members out of 28 commenting on that one post just now, what would a threshold look like. The mod team has the same issues, out of all off us, usually only 3-5 are online at any given time, far from a quorum
Lyrad (Crybad)
@Quanatee the problem with getting a threshold on posts in general is time. We had 3 SCC members out of 28 commenting on that one post just now, what would a threshold look like. The mod team has the same issues, out of all off us, usually only 3-5 are online at any given time, far from a quorum
Getting to a threshold and understanding on a type of post should not be time sensitive since it lays deeper precedence on how such types of posts will be dealt with- Especially for not so clear cut topics.
For example if a standing order fulfills such criteria:
About Dumb Money
Calls it suspicious without evidence or clear reason
Calls mods/sub compromised without evidence or clear reason
Generally divisive
If the post is close to or fulfills the list of points, then whatever was discussed regarding the action can be automated. Of course the alternative then is for every prior action, that sets a precedence- But i just thought to suggest it for where things are more like you say- generalized/matter of opinion but could be dangerous at the same time. This is where the SCC would be most powerful at I think
I think pinning a SCC comment that is best suited explaining why the posts troublesome can take some heat off of the Mods and diminish "mods r sus" complaints. L
I think pinning a SCC comment that is best suited explaining why the posts troublesome can take some heat off of the Mods and diminish "mods r sus" complaints. L
I've made several comments on posts and will continue to open my DMs to criticism, conspiracy, and a bit of hate, if it gives people a place they can vent and be honest without the fear of conspiracy banning, etc lol
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I'm here to help.
Caffeine & Ketamine
I've made several comments on posts and will continue to open my DMs to criticism, conspiracy, and a bit of hate, if it gives people a place they can vent and be honest without the fear of conspiracy banning, etc lol
I'm too stubborn and passionate to burn out easily from some strangers default frustration.
I've been around long enough, I knew what I was getting into, but still take the advice to heart.
I appreciate you looking out Lyr
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It is funny how people on the front end don't realize the effort and stress that can go into just trying to do right by the Community
It's one of those things. The overwhelming response when we bring on new mods is how....different the public perception is than what actually goes on. We are hoping that the SCC will build some trust (or at least more transparency).
The only scam link I've ever gotten was someone offering to let me into secret crypto insider trading servers...
...but they'd forgotten to change their profile pic, account name, and bio summary away from the personal yoga instructor only fans setup.
I always straight up say the rule is stupid and I hate it, but have to enforce it when I do a takedown for such.
But I have the glorious position of not needing to have a working relationship with radmin where they can check my post history easily.
My experience with bots on a sub I Mod is that they are primarily new, or Jan 2021 created accounts that have less than 100 post and comment karma. Do you guys just automod those out by default? I’ve found if they don’t modmail “why are my posts removed” I just ignore them.
SPCΞMΞmbΞr593
My experience with bots on a sub I Mod is that they are primarily new, or Jan 2021 created accounts that have less than 100 post and comment karma. Do you guys just automod those out by default? I’ve found if they don’t modmail “why are my posts removed” I just ignore them.
Or perma-ban hammer them. Again, bots don’t cry.(edited)
12:46 PM
In Jan 2021 with the sneeze we added like 7k accounts that week. I swear they were all bots(edited)
SPCΞMΞmbΞr593
My experience with bots on a sub I Mod is that they are primarily new, or Jan 2021 created accounts that have less than 100 post and comment karma. Do you guys just automod those out by default? I’ve found if they don’t modmail “why are my posts removed” I just ignore them.
Update: Members should no longer be able to send messages in #review-this . This is because this is meant to be a bot dump and any discussion taking place here will be lost within 20m when the bot dumps another post.
Please use #specific-post-discussion to discuss posts.
BUT you should be able to react to posts in the feed if you just want to give a quick piece of feedback without discussing the post.
Looks like there's about 15 items in the queue, and I was going to knock the queue out. If anybody is up I can do it on live streaming here in discord.
So it was getting a little noisy in there especially with all the posts. What we did is we tried to make discussions happen in specific forum posts so you find the post you wanted debate or discuss and create a forum post for discussion. If it's a simple matter of wanting the post to be removed you can tag it with an emoji reaction thumbs down or the international no for remove thumbs up or okay for yes
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Sort of like that
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That way we can have discussions in a slightly more organized way
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When things get super high volume... We may need to continue to come up with new plans
8:37 AM
It's going to be all about balancing robust conversation with high volume information
Actually lair, I have some ideas for bot 4.0 but was hoping you could peek at the API stuffs beep bloops to make sure I'm not inviting in unintended consequences
Hey team, defo hoping to spend a little more time in here soon - and incidentally - it's amazing to have you all here! You are all incredible!
But if you guys get a hot minute, come check out the activism channel. Any help with protecting DRS from the UK Government who want to see the removal of UK shareholder's legal ownership and the title transfer of their assets into a "nominee structure" is pretty much, very fucked up. And as such - deserves as much attention as we can give it.
Got a little info happening here - https://discord.com/channels/1098133959843512320/1111313223786967142/1153422440534384722
But yeah - any help or input would be wicked. Deadline is 25th September - and I dunno about you, but stickin it to these guys is going to be such a wicked flex post-MOASS.
Get involved - and you guys rock!
We are trying to find the balance between letting the SCC deliberate as well as doing our job and keeping the queue clean, so hollar at us if there's something you dont like
hah yeah. I grew up in NYC so there were a lot of BBS' around back in those days. When they started to link their chats to other BBS' across the country I was like 'whoa'.
Now I could be on a toilet flying 600 MPH over the Atlantic and responding to you in this discord.
I wasn't a part of the miller ban, in fact my announcement as mod was pushed a month because of the incident (we can cover that someday in #ask-a-mod ). The team didn't want me to get off to a bad start because of the miller drama.
Just a thought but if anyone makes a post in #specific-post-discussion for content to review. They can copy a link to the posts starting message (hold down on it on mobile or right click on pc to find the option) into #tag-a-mod . Cross discord linking works if you have access to both, which we do.
Not really sure this is the place to ask this but fudge it... i can't figure out why i can't get my post to go through.. says i can't link to a username or w.e. but i cannot find where the link is..
Explore this post and more from waitingonawait's profile
Waitingonawait
Not really sure this is the place to ask this but fudge it... i can't figure out why i can't get my post to go through.. says i can't link to a username or w.e. but i cannot find where the link is..
So the bot sometimes picks up /u or u/ mid URL.
I see a couple but I think it's only u/ rather than /u
On mobile I can't see the links that are embedded or shortened or whatever you call it (e.g. "source" being the link)
If you go through your links and look for a u/ maybe you'll find one?
5:49 AM
Probably the best place to put something like this is modmail to us still. Gives us a bunch of tools we can work off of.
I don't think that is it.. looked and i really can't see anything. Am i now allowed to link to other posts or something?.. should i go and submit it through modmail?
Modmails probably best so we can arrange to have it approved or figure out the issue
Waitingonawait
I don't think that is it.. looked and i really can't see anything. Am i now allowed to link to other posts or something?.. should i go and submit it through modmail?
it wouldn't even let me post it.. it went straight from being over 40000 characters to you cannot link username...
I'll try ditching that one and see if it works
Not sure if this is the right channel in discord for this: but at some point posts saying "Go See The Movie", might need to be calmed down? Ehh, I don't know. I'm baised because I'm dislike the movie. But, I can be very wrong about it's effects. Heck "the Susaze Summers" effect... might happen, who knows. I've got to go to class.
I think personally, it's a matter of consistency.
Say your spending $200 every two weeks.
If the Computershare auto buy price is $0.50 higher than if you were to buy it yourself (this is a large leap, because more than once, the Computershare buy price is in the middle of what the daily high/low is), you would be looking at 11.11 shares via auto buy at $18 vs 11.43 shares by buying it $17.50 manually.
So you'd get about an extra 7.68 shares a YEAR by doing it manually (and always getting it .50 cheaper)
All you need to do is miss one manual buy (11 shares) to negate the entire year of difference in share price by using auto buy(edited)
1:08 PM
(this is assuming GME's prices is around $18, it's not exact, but the theory should hold at any price)
Lyrad (Crybad)
I think personally, it's a matter of consistency.
Say your spending $200 every two weeks.
If the Computershare auto buy price is $0.50 higher than if you were to buy it yourself (this is a large leap, because more than once, the Computershare buy price is in the middle of what the daily high/low is), you would be looking at 11.11 shares via auto buy at $18 vs 11.43 shares by buying it $17.50 manually.
So you'd get about an extra 7.68 shares a YEAR by doing it manually (and always getting it .50 cheaper)
All you need to do is miss one manual buy (11 shares) to negate the entire year of difference in share price by using auto buy (edited)
252 trading days on average each year for NYSE. Average price 17.5 for shares purchased. I get 7.2 shares ($126) a year (which makes your point more)(edited)
No one is ever going to buy these shares at the best price each day. It's basically people saying they're going to gamble and win via day trading at that point anyway imo.
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It's 2x monthly right? so 24 auto buys (just splitting hairs now)
I don't see evidence that there have ever been three purchases in one month
Lyrad (Crybad)
I think personally, it's a matter of consistency.
Say your spending $200 every two weeks.
If the Computershare auto buy price is $0.50 higher than if you were to buy it yourself (this is a large leap, because more than once, the Computershare buy price is in the middle of what the daily high/low is), you would be looking at 11.11 shares via auto buy at $18 vs 11.43 shares by buying it $17.50 manually.
So you'd get about an extra 7.68 shares a YEAR by doing it manually (and always getting it .50 cheaper)
All you need to do is miss one manual buy (11 shares) to negate the entire year of difference in share price by using auto buy (edited)
Bit if a headache so I can’t math now. However, why does he care about money going to option players? If I’m the guy who bought calls and used that spike to sell, why is that an issue?
I’ve chatted with Ultimator a few times about this and the idea of 0dte’s on CS buy days. Is it worth the risk of going balls deep on? No. But if you are flipping a small amount of cash into a larger amount of cash it’s a positive for that ape.(edited)
Oh. I mean right on. Personally I wished people cared enough to look at any data rather than just a flat buy on payday mentality. Mid/late aug great example of that. People dive in because it’s a price insiders bought at when the trend in movement said down-go would continue. Like just clip the coupon folks and be patient.
There is no discussion there. They host PB and said they will talk about DRS, they didn't even ask PBs opinion on DRS and talked amongst themselves for the rest of the spaces.
I will be the first to admit, I've never listened to one of their spaces.
1:41 PM
I speak not of quality. I just generally think that discussion = good and (maybe naively) that people can tell quality discussions from ones that are flawed in some way)(edited)
1:42 PM
Anyway, just my two cents
1:42 PM
Not to put words in your mouth, but it seems like you feel this link should be removed?
1:44 PM
Sort of a moot point, because the hour long call is probably nearing the end, I just think it's worth calibrating on
What i think is not important. There is no rule against it. They are keep trying to use different known names like Pulte, PB, Wooch, Dude from Cali. My annoyance with this can't be a factor.
Chato35
What i think is not important. There is no rule against it. They are keep trying to use different known names like Pulte, PB, Wooch, Dude from Cali. My annoyance with this can't be a factor.
If they start depending on data, official Regulations and what Paul conn said rather than Hopium & 1+1= Potatoe. By all means, lift all the bans but I think it is time for this sub to shed theories w/o sources.
that comment was partially about me lol, i told foo-bar earlier in another discord that i played options on the CS recurring buy once i saw today was the day for it from an earlier superstonk post, i bought a weekly $18 call just before 11 and sold it 15 minutes later for a 40% gain
2:56 PM
i can retire now, i made a whole $7 minus commission
lol yeah, i mostly did it for fun, only risking $16 to see how it went. i wasn't going to make a huge amount no matter what, especially since i was going to exit by 11:30 win or lose. it was pure gambling with a little bit of playing an expected pattern. buying calls isn't normally my thing, i sell puts regularly though
Diznavis
that comment was partially about me lol, i told foo-bar earlier in another discord that i played options on the CS recurring buy once i saw today was the day for it from an earlier superstonk post, i bought a weekly $18 call just before 11 and sold it 15 minutes later for a 40% gain
that comment was partially about me lol, i told foo-bar earlier in another discord that i played options on the CS recurring buy once i saw today was the day for it from an earlier superstonk post, i bought a weekly $18 call just before 11 and sold it 15 minutes later for a 40% gain
@Diznavis I mean it is obvious green dildo every time.
Diznavis
lol yeah, i mostly did it for fun, only risking $16 to see how it went. i wasn't going to make a huge amount no matter what, especially since i was going to exit by 11:30 win or lose. it was pure gambling with a little bit of playing an expected pattern. buying calls isn't normally my thing, i sell puts regularly though
its just a weird thing. Like how many other times will you ever know the exact hour when a bunch of orders will hit the exchange at once and they arent odd lots? Practically never.
I havea new strat for next time. I've been looking for option plays on the CS bump for a long time and backtesting it has never worked out net positive
@TiberiusWoodwind do that too both are good. Sometimes it's nice to have the CS buy out of site out of mind. I have multiple savings accounts and bills paid automatically. To each their own.
guantanamo_babies_say_heyy
@TiberiusWoodwind do that too both are good. Sometimes it's nice to have the CS buy out of site out of mind. I have multiple savings accounts and bills paid automatically. To each their own.
right but you said that "all others have failed to do so". Is that a statement that can be backed up factually because given the example I tossed out it seems any broker who allows drs can get you better execution than CS and you still get drs'd shares(edited)
The Best Execution section of the 2022 Report on FINRA’s Risk Monitoring and Examination Activities (the Report) informs member firms’ compliance programs by providing annual insights from FINRA’s ongoing regulatory operations, including (1) relevant regulatory obligations and related considerations, (2) exam findings and effective practices, an...
ok, so like I said let's focus on what the discussion is more about, the price people buy at. Here is just September. Yellow dots are from Ultimators posts on where CS buys occurred and fill price. Blue dots are if someone just waited for hourly RSI to find a bottom below 40 (meaning they waited for the hour after to see if came back up). If I have time this weekend I'll go month to month and see how consistently this could work
Does anyone here reference gov.capital at all? I don’t pay for the premium service, but I do check the website out sometimes. I’m not saying it’s totally reliable, but it’s not entirely unreliable either. Edit: ok, waited 30. Going to bed now. Be back tomorrow.(edited)
TiberiusWoodwind
I so badly wish I knew why the fuck this thing works like this
Closest guess is it’s related to the swap theory. That the manipulation aspect is really the extreme moves that bounce us off the sides and what we see within are not illogical or unpredictable movements. The goal of keeping GME within the structure is so the swap stays profitable
@luma44 Just wanted to let you know that the message you left on the Zelenskyy post was succinct, acknowledges the relevance that users saw, and clarifies the reasons why actions were taken. A+
Tinfoil observation: There's a lot of people who have never participated in superstonk that suddenly show up to defend Russia and attack Ukraine when certain keywords trend on the sub.
8:48 AM
Then when those keywords die back down, they receed to the shadows or other subs(edited)
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8:48 AM
We just need to keep the conversation on the GME signal and turn down the noise.
Yeah, the very unnatural need to always have the parenthetical "..., the most corrupt nation in the EU, ..." in every comment was very...inorganic. But what do I know? I drink paint.
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Tinfoil observation: There's a lot of people who have never participated in superstonk that suddenly show up to defend Russia and attack Ukraine when certain keywords trend on the sub.
Tinfoil observation: There's a lot of people who have never participated in superstonk that suddenly show up to defend Russia and attack Ukraine when certain keywords trend on the sub.
Yeah, it's pretty funny to watch the downdoots always hit in a set number. We've done it a few times in posts in the discord.
The book kings are not subtle.
I do the same, to be fair. I'm fully book, as a consequence of transferring from Fidelity.
I don't consider myself a Book Queen since that's associated with other tin foil and behavior in my mind at this point.
10:22 AM
If they could focus on their message and education instead of slogans and bullying it would be one thing.
But every time I see "Now book 'em, King!" on a post where someone transferred from a broker? Ugh.
10:23 AM
Lairian -Flairy Type-
If they could focus on their message and education instead of slogans and bullying it would be one thing.
But every time I see "Now book 'em, King!" on a post where someone transferred from a broker? Ugh.
If you want some 'Book King' inside info, we were talking to computershare trying to get more info on book/plan and told them how one of the things that sparked it off was RC's 'book King' thing on Twitter.
That was on a Friday I believe and by Monday it was gone from his bio
4:39 AM
Then they came out with the last YouTube video where Paul was talking about fractionals
Platinumsparkles
Then they came out with the last YouTube video where Paul was talking about fractionals
So regarding https://www.reddit.com/user/Such_Cry_Much_Meme,
A user asked why they were even allowed to post considering their karma is well below the karma requirements.
Is !apeprove! still a thing?
Found it. It's been a really inactive account but it was approved by satori. Typically, when one of these sleeper accounts (that may have been sold) suddenly comes online after a long period of inactivity we would override satori and unapprove them(edited)
7:11 AM
It's effectively a ban because they don't have the karma to continue posting
Yeah. They do come across as a frustrated OG, IMO. Sometimes we see people who have no post history for like a year and suddenly their account becomes really active overnight and usually just fixates on one thing
7:31 AM
Those read like "sold" accounts. This doesn't. This reads like frustration.
I think we try in general to find a reasonable path. Fwiw, I don't think we touch the account. My question was more curiosity about what you'd say.(edited)
A reminder that !apeaprove! was previously a thing can go a long way to explain why something happened. If there needs to be a discussion on reversing those previous approvals, that can happen. As this targets a single user, that might still be worth removing.
Rough_Willow
A reminder that !apeaprove! was previously a thing can go a long way to explain why something happened. If there needs to be a discussion on reversing those previous approvals, that can happen. As this targets a single user, that might still be worth removing.
I'm pretty certain that that was what happened based on the paper trail that I found so far but before I go so far as to sticky that that's exactly what happened I would want to double check(edited)
8:02 AM
I don't see where they ever made that comment to trigger it
8:02 AM
Going to take a little bit more time to dig through
8:03 AM
But once I've confirmed that that's what happened and I have some evidence I agree
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8:03 AM
Side note do you guys like the new review this page
8:03 AM
It now looks exactly like the one in our other discord
So regarding https://www.reddit.com/user/Such_Cry_Much_Meme,
A user asked why they were even allowed to post considering their karma is well below the karma requirements.
Is !apeprove! still a thing?
I swear the plan / book arguing is planted lol
There's no way people are STILL gatekeeping DRS this hard and this adamantly.
The amount of hate I've received/ seen other receive for merely choosing to not auto-buy and transfer through Fidelity, is odd.
I think people forget what FUD is. FUD isn't something you dislike. It's just giving enough doubt for someone to stop what they are doing and wait.
12:18 PM
I felt like a scumb bag when I was in medical sales. Sometimes after a 2 hour presenation, while I was walking out the door (literally). I'd say 1 short phrase. That short phase was the true purpose of the presenation. That short phase might have been enough subtle down to cause a change. Then, from a distance over months, I'd watch.
Caffeine & Ketamine
I swear the plan / book arguing is planted lol
There's no way people are STILL gatekeeping DRS this hard and this adamantly.
The amount of hate I've received/ seen other receive for merely choosing to not auto-buy and transfer through Fidelity, is odd.
Word, but folks don’t understand that they are aggregated at CS. There aren’t thousands of fractionals. CS holds full shares, their DirectStock system is what tracks individual ownership. So I might own .25 of one share and you own .75 of a share but CS just owns the full share and tells us how much of that we each own.
I just don't like seeing them aesthetically on my reports, but I realize that's a bad reason to dislike them and silly. I can't help my brain valuing whole numbers.
Lairian -Flairy Type-
I just don't like seeing them aesthetically on my reports, but I realize that's a bad reason to dislike them and silly. I can't help my brain valuing whole numbers.
Word. I only do my orders in whole numbers. At this price it’s not like getting a full share is a big ask.
But from CS perspective, there are none. If you, me, and 3 others all had .2 of a share in plan, CS owns 1 share.
And their own literature says it. Plan shares are held in aggregate. Doesn’t matter how many thousands of fractions you add, you’ll end up with a whole number and something between 0 - .99. For simplicities sake I’d imagine at that point they just round up that last one.
TiberiusWoodwind
Word, but folks don’t understand that they are aggregated at CS. There aren’t thousands of fractionals. CS holds full shares, their DirectStock system is what tracks individual ownership. So I might own .25 of one share and you own .75 of a share but CS just owns the full share and tells us how much of that we each own.
Yeah. This topic is where we first began chatting. Blows my mind. People must also think when you put money in the bank it’s placed in a tiny vault with your name on it completely segregated from everyone else’s tiny vault.
Can you remind me why the fractionals were bad? I am on the phone and it sucks. Was it " your fractionals are a way for DTC to use your book shares as locates" ?
I remember thinking when he came out with that last video that it would be enough for people to stop telling other people to cancel their autobuys and to sell their fractional shares
Chato35
Nope. Not on the buy side. On sell side for best execution. Buy side is ; here , now give me shares. No need for a buffer , so to speak
Can you remind me why the fractionals were bad? I am on the phone and it sucks. Was it " your fractionals are a way for DTC to use your book shares as locates" ?
That seemed to be the most common conclusion, but they disproved it themselves when they pulled the leak-the-ledger stunt I think.
Annoyingly they still claim this in sub comments all the time.
Bias disclaimer and ownership, while I'm 100% book and get that there's little reason not to change over autobuys every once in a while, the absolutist rhetoric they seem to not really understand themselves has me pretty anti-Book Queen.
And locates don't matter while there are still hundred million + institutional and ETF shares for locates
2:53 PM
I think moving whole shares from Plan to Book is still preferable, but this irrefutable, immediate demand to terminate Plan and kill off fractionals is part of a dead theory.
(Please note, I'm just a smooth brain from the discord that drinks paint on the regular, please do not confuse my opinions for either the opinions of the mod team, or declarations of intent on how the discord will be run, just some probably inappropriate transparency in frustration)
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I remember thinking when he came out with that last video that it would be enough for people to stop telling other people to cancel their autobuys and to sell their fractional shares
I swear the plan / book arguing is planted lol
There's no way people are STILL gatekeeping DRS this hard and this adamantly.
The amount of hate I've received/ seen other receive for merely choosing to not auto-buy and transfer through Fidelity, is odd.
Hardcore apeism introduces exclusionary behaviour. Exclusionary behaviour drives out anybody but the most hard-core. With decreased adoption and an increasing echo chamber of the same all-or-nothing sentiment, the whole movement slows to a crawl. IMO, there's a bunch of data that can correlated to support this theory (but not causation). The slowing of DRS (mainstar not withstanding), consistently downtrending trading volume, lower active users in the discord. Its also near impossible to accuse someone of being a shill by being so hard-core pro-GME I.e. the perfect cover. The reverse, its phenomenally easy to accuse an average joe that doesnt understand ape culture as a shill. It's an "Eat the Sub from within" checkmate- something I've been calling out as a risk for pretty much a year now in the discord cos I don't use reddit besides lurking (edited)
Hey guys - deadline for the UK proposal recommendation submissions is tomorrow.
Would be incredible to get as many eyes on this as we can so we can protect DRS. I've mustered up a couple of memes here: https://discord.com/channels/1098133959843512320/1111313223786967142/1155451330412945468
If anyone fancies, please do consider sharing them - or better yet, please feel free to make some of your own!
Any help would be awesome! Cheers all
On the UK deadline, are you guys signing this letter (or is it required) with your real name and whatnot? Like, will it be taken seriously if signed SPCEMember593 or do I have to go another route?
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Oh boy, the amount of brigading and "why did I get banned" DMs are through the roof lol
Well, I did my part. I sent it. Godspeed, and may we all succeed in this endeavor.
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On the UK deadline, are you guys signing this letter (or is it required) with your real name and whatnot? Like, will it be taken seriously if signed SPCEMember593 or do I have to go another route?
I think it's less so important to use your name, than it is to get the information out - so do what you feel comfortable with doing. There's no obligation to do anything you don't want to do.
Really - you could go by any number of names - it's not as if they are cross referencing this. The important thing is that we are telling them we want DRS protected, and the content as included within the email.
So if you want to sign it: Dr. Mantis Toboggan, PHD (lol) or Miss. Felicity Hucwell - or any number or reasonably realistic names - go for it. I know personal safety is a concern for some apes which is also why you can also generate a free email account to use to - if you wish to keep your identity withdrawn.
2:25 AM
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2:26 AM
Additionally - thank you to any people getting involved in this - deadline is TODAY and we've got so much engagement already!
Caffeine & Ketamine
I've tried my best to do outreach and make it known I can be reached, so it's partially on me lol
"When MOASS comes, I expect this to be draw out for several months at minimum, could last over a year, due to SEC halts alone" - I've said this to my wife. This won't be a 1 day oh shit I missed it...
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SPCΞMΞmbΞr593
"When MOASS comes, I expect this to be draw out for several months at minimum, could last over a year, due to SEC halts alone" - I've said this to my wife. This won't be a 1 day oh shit I missed it...
More spice...." That's another reason why DRS Apes will thrive, and options gamblers stuck with options expiry dates and likely broker issues are going to be disappointed. MOASS will be nothing like January 2021. SHFs are prepared, the government is prepared—this is not going to be an options friendly game like back then. Not even RobinHood defaulted back in Jan 2021. During MOASS, expect inevitable broker defaults."
12:31 PM
Yeah, I could use it now. I'm tired boss...
12:31 PM
but am not quitting
SPCΞMΞmbΞr593
More spice...." That's another reason why DRS Apes will thrive, and options gamblers stuck with options expiry dates and likely broker issues are going to be disappointed. MOASS will be nothing like January 2021. SHFs are prepared, the government is prepared—this is not going to be an options friendly game like back then. Not even RobinHood defaulted back in Jan 2021. During MOASS, expect inevitable broker defaults."
the only options players who are going to be disappointed are short dated OTM calls and people running the wheel. Longer dated GME options are going to thrive (and help accelerate the rocket once lit)
12:32 PM
but i agree with the general sentitment
SPCΞMΞmbΞr593
More spice...." That's another reason why DRS Apes will thrive, and options gamblers stuck with options expiry dates and likely broker issues are going to be disappointed. MOASS will be nothing like January 2021. SHFs are prepared, the government is prepared—this is not going to be an options friendly game like back then. Not even RobinHood defaulted back in Jan 2021. During MOASS, expect inevitable broker defaults."
That’s a stack of speculative statements. A big stack
Lyrad (Crybad)
the only options players who are going to be disappointed are short dated OTM calls and people running the wheel. Longer dated GME options are going to thrive (and help accelerate the rocket once lit)
When bank stocks were being halted and removed, I saw apes have their options expire because they couldn't exercise or sell them. I worry the same will happen with a rocketing stock with halts every moment there could be one.
When bank stocks were being halted and removed, I saw apes have their options expire because they couldn't exercise or sell them. I worry the same will happen with a rocketing stock with halts every moment there could be one.
This is one of the huge reasons against short dated options. If moass starts tomorrow and I have April calls, there will be a time that I can sell them off.
12:58 PM
Also as a side note, you can exercise options even when the ticker is halted
12:59 PM
(With most brokers)
Caffeine & Ketamine
Not my place but this dude needs either a suspension or ban.
Actively promoting that ppsub shit and trying to pull users over (edited)
Can anyone explain to me why some profiles show their age and others don't? Also, why does it seem to always be the sus users who's profiles don't show their Reddit age?
Rough_Willow
When bank stocks were being halted and removed, I saw apes have their options expire because they couldn't exercise or sell them. I worry the same will happen with a rocketing stock with halts every moment there could be one.
No. I mean weeklies can be fun if you have a good reason to believe a lot of movement will happen very soon. But if you are wrong they punish you quickly.
1:26 PM
But for something like a months long move, buy contracts for months out
Lairian -Flairy Type-
The legs desperately need more work but perfect kills good and I need to get something out and iterate later.
I might be able to change that text but that's how automod reports when it catches a word.
8:40 AM
So, you know how we were going to approve Biden/Trump but have them report? Our automod is looking for those words and will self report them as a "possible violation". I know it sounds foreboding but that's how the !mods! and !SCC! Tags work. It's a total using automod against reddit move since they took away tags(edited)
8:41 AM
I think that the !mods! Tag won't report here because technically qvbot/flairy is looking for those.
8:48 AM
Updated
8:48 AM
Can somebody try !SCC! again?
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8:48 AM
I think it doesn't say report violation any more
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So there
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8:52 AM
Feel free to tell me you want it to say "Batsignal" or "Apesignal" or something
luma44
Feel free to tell me you want it to say "Batsignal" or "Apesignal" or something
Asking this here cause I think it ties to the China/Macro discussion we are having on one of the threads
What are peoples thoughts on another round of the DD week but this time specifically with Macroeconomic topics? October is usually a dump month anyway for markets and I think that’ll make it all the less likely we will see GME doing anything spectacular during that time.
As part of this, the idea is a push towards getting away from just dumping article links and moving towards posts where OP is contextualizing the information.
Right on. Or even make sure a common theme is the author discerning whether their topic has a direct correlation to GME or if it really is just bigger market news. Would be nice for people to hear that sometimes the world doesn’t revolve around a singular stock
Some will say yes, some will say no, mods will be accused of an agenda and cherry picking instead of taking volunteers.
It's like this happened before recently!
I have no idea if it's a good idea or chaos waiting to happen but I think it's worthy of discussion!
9:29 AM
I can make a channel in "Projects" to discuss if you're serious about it.
Lairian -Flairy Type-
Some will say yes, some will say no, mods will be accused of an agenda and cherry picking instead of taking volunteers.
It's like this happened before recently!
Right. Maybe give the community a list of macro topics/posts and picking who they want to invited for the week or leave it open in the comments for people to nominate. Cause ultimately, if someone doesn’t want to participate, community can’t complain about a person not wanting to join
Oooh, so like...set aside four hours to chat, ask for proposal submissions, take the top 8 relevant 30 minute talks?
I hesitate to use doots because how easily swung and brigaded, but that would neatly clip bias accusations.
It's tricky, because you can't really talk about the rail strike without bringing up Biden blocking it as one example.
I don't mind anyone blaming Biden's administration on that, it's concrete and undeniable. But it's a step away from the tired talking points, is all.
I don't have an answer here. I wish I did.
9:39 AM
Just to underline though, if we can organize this it's a fantastic idea and we should proceed, I'm just noting a worry.
Let me know and we'll bend over backwards to set up a Discord stage for talks, screen shares, and Q&As.
Lairian -Flairy Type-
It's tricky, because you can't really talk about the rail strike without bringing up Biden blocking it as one example.
I don't mind anyone blaming Biden's administration on that, it's concrete and undeniable. But it's a step away from the tired talking points, is all.
I don't have an answer here. I wish I did.
Fair. Maybe it’s more of a guideline to authors? We want a post to be factual/accurate but also not looking for a fight in the comments so please be mindful about keeping the discussion civil.
1) there’s no body of the post, op doesn’t explain anything they are pointing at.
2) so the pattern is flat down flat down flat? No shit, and?
3) shit like this contributes to the sub treating any analysis like its fuckin idiotic. Can you imagine a dd post where OP shared 3 pics of 8k’s with the only caption “durrr, idk, they all look alike, wonder what it means?”
TiberiusWoodwind
1) there’s no body of the post, op doesn’t explain anything they are pointing at.
2) so the pattern is flat down flat down flat? No shit, and?
3) shit like this contributes to the sub treating any analysis like its fuckin idiotic. Can you imagine a dd post where OP shared 3 pics of 8k’s with the only caption “durrr, idk, they all look alike, wonder what it means?”
Yeah ! on both sides. !SCC!
If blocked someone can still open incognito and copy a link to the comment they want us to know about and throw it into modmail. Better yet people can just report stuff using the Reddit report feature and select what sub rule they're breaking. /gen
@luma44@Caffeine & Ketamine I like purple. I often pick up an idea and drop it, but if ever there was a flair to start wearing. It would be purple. And "start wearing purple", should be its theme song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkkIwO_X4i4 Let me know if this is the wrong place for a video. But the song just fits so nice to me(edited)
It just blows my mind. half the graph is meaningless as its pre-sneeze so you know that helps seeing a flat line. Then we get it in linear scale which is a giant fucking red flag. OP still doesnt actually analyze anything, yeah each year has a lower price it hangs around. taking that much time to get to profitability will do that to you.
Also, wtf is the comment section. Shit like this is why the sub is smooth. Post nonsense, watch it upvoted despite it providing nothing of value and no actual discussion in comments. There is one single comment that refers to volume dropping and 136 others that say nothing.
9:25 PM
And one of the top posts on the sub asks why if you google superstonk the first auto suggest is delusional. like fucking really. idk man, maybe if the front page of the sub didn't look like the efforts of a 10 year old the place might get taken a bit more seriously. not a lot more. but you know, a little.
I know I'm a broken record but I feel like the sub desperately needs people to actual write out and explain what and why they are posting something. Maybe its the grumpy old man in me who is just sick and tired of watching gen z's lazy af work ethic, but holy fuck when I start looking at the meltdown sub and saying "you know they make some valid arguments" I find that a bit concerning
The top voted DD flaired post right now is 2 screen caps OP took a highlighter too. Thats all. Thats a DD apparently and I'm still not entirely sure if hes actually written a full post on this topic yet or if it continues to be him just shotgunning out whatever he finds
If you wanted to post that comment I could link to it in a sticky -- I realize that the post is old now and probably not getting a lot of additional eyes
luma44
If you wanted to post that comment I could link to it in a sticky -- I realize that the post is old now and probably not getting a lot of additional eyes
heres what kills me though, I get that data from Deep Dive Stocks. comes out nightly after 8pm. The guy who runs that place knows superstonk well enough. The issue is that for him, mass sharing content like that takes away from his business model. I asked him about it when I joined the site about sharing data and his general thought is sharing is ok but remember the value of it to the user base. So do I want to mass share nightly the correct interpretation.....eh not really since it is a paid service that I'd be mass distributing.
TiberiusWoodwind
heres what kills me though, I get that data from Deep Dive Stocks. comes out nightly after 8pm. The guy who runs that place knows superstonk well enough. The issue is that for him, mass sharing content like that takes away from his business model. I asked him about it when I joined the site about sharing data and his general thought is sharing is ok but remember the value of it to the user base. So do I want to mass share nightly the correct interpretation.....eh not really since it is a paid service that I'd be mass distributing.
Yeah, that's tough. I wish that we could support the "good guys" that provide retail data, but it crosses the line of self-promotion if we give away free marketing... and it's unfair for us to distribute content like that for free when there is value to it
Its not like there aren't knowledgeable people who could say "hey this post is completely wrong". But they aren't looking to argue with people who haven't a clue what they are discussing
you know what really blows my mind, this guys data reports (deep dive stocks guy) are all based on options data. you'd fucking be amazed at how often you will know the general direction the price is heading the next day based on these
8 page report (7 if you ignore disclaimer page on end) that breaks down which side bought/sold what for options. no bias or interpretation, just the data. and its available on every ticker. While the sub largely hates on options, guess what, whatever these bigger players do with them gives a pretty clear indication of where you are heading. and the sub that can't fucking handle writing a paragraph calls that bullshit. just blows my mind
i got the premium plan at $150 a month. I'm fucking astounded.
10:17 PM
I can tell you today, mm sold 1391% more puts today compared to yesterday. and thats up 251% over 5 days and 245% over 10 days. In fact mm sold -17% as many calls today compared to yesterday. Price is heading down. homeboy with his data dump post and thinking it hopefully means bullish is giving the exact backwards explanation of what is actually occurring
Can i chime in just a bit here? There is a slow shift happening in the sub. Options, which used to be 100% taboo, are now being talked about more and more these days. This is a wonderful time to take some time to educate, rather than pointing out all the flaws in what people are seeing. That list is from ATP and is one of the few non-paid resources for scanning options flow.
Personally Tib, I do think that these particular options were not dealer side calls, they were almost all sold at the ask. There was a shitton of puts (which you just touched upon) which overwhelmed the positive delta from those $19Cs
10:19 PM
Even IF they are wrong, there's more and more discussion about options on Superstonk (a good thing). Maybe it's time to spin up a dealer side DD on options and what they do/mean(edited)
Lyrad (Crybad)
Can i chime in just a bit here? There is a slow shift happening in the sub. Options, which used to be 100% taboo, are now being talked about more and more these days. This is a wonderful time to take some time to educate, rather than pointing out all the flaws in what people are seeing. That list is from ATP and is one of the few non-paid resources for scanning options flow.
Personally Tib, I do think that these particular options were not dealer side calls, they were almost all sold at the ask. There was a shitton of puts (which you just touched upon) which overwhelmed the positive delta from those $19Cs
Yeah theres no reason to pull it now. but for a worthwhile discussion on this topic you'd probably want to pull in justin because it's his data we'd need to be sharing to explain why just going off ATP is problematic
10:24 PM
but the longer the guy with ATP keeps sharing that data, the more people will say "well the options talk is always wrong"
But just like diamond hands, or DRSing or any other major part of this saga, you cant really tell people what to do or they wont be 100% on board. Learning it for themselves is much more important and we try to facilitate a place for discussion
10:25 PM
Post data/DD, discuss it, debunk it, disprove it, confirm it.
10:26 PM
This is why the whole Heat Lamp really rubbed us the wrong way. It wasn't the content. It was posted elsewhere in an echo chamber and then taken as fact. If the OP would have posted it and brought backup when it was questioned, the whole HLT may not have been such a dividing issue.
10:27 PM
Plenty of DD has been disproven on the sub and the OPs go on to write amazing DD afterwards
10:27 PM
I'm 100% all about education and the scientific process.
I'm closing on my new house thursday. Am I really going to be writing a post comparing ATP data to DDS data and why freely provided data can be problematic because of everything it doesn't tell you
its 3 years in. the place is stocked to the fucking brim with low effort content. respect to small steps but maybe a more organized approach instead of just hoping the caveman discovers fire is needed
Someone took the $3.5k
I considered it. That's like 200 shares almost?
Wife vetoed
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TiberiusWoodwind
you know what really blows my mind, this guys data reports (deep dive stocks guy) are all based on options data. you'd fucking be amazed at how often you will know the general direction the price is heading the next day based on these
No need to mention any other tickers directly, but if you added that reddit subs are only allowed to sway so far on topics and mention a few of the Radmin pressures already in place it would make it clear that it's not just you guys being obtuse or insert bad word here
LastResortFriend
No need to mention any other tickers directly, but if you added that reddit subs are only allowed to sway so far on topics and mention a few of the Radmin pressures already in place it would make it clear that it's not just you guys being obtuse or insert bad word here
I shall think on this. I know we've explained brigading ad nauseum, but surely I can put a little more emphasis on why and what pressures from reddit are beyond our control.
luma44
I shall think on this. I know we've explained brigading ad nauseum, but surely I can put a little more emphasis on why and what pressures from reddit are beyond our control.
I'm amazed by the people judging it based on whether or not it mentions DRS. That wasn't even in the popular ape lexicon during the time period the movie takes place in. It'd be like asking if they talk about fighter jets in a revolutionary war biopic.
The movie ends before DRSing started. It would be completely out of timeline context
TiberiusWoodwind
I'm amazed by the people judging it based on whether or not it mentions DRS. That wasn't even in the popular ape lexicon during the time period the movie takes place in. It'd be like asking if they talk about fighter jets in a revolutionary war biopic.
As much as I love the sub.... our community is very knee-jerk and gatekeeping in some ways, to the point where is they met their self 2 years ago theyd think they suck and are shills lol
I think from an initial optics; the trailor portayed DFV as a pasty feable pathetic basement dweller. Facial experssions of DFV always hopeless and dumfounded, lighting is dark and basement like. There is alot not to like. Could Dumb Money get Eyes on GME, sure... but as much as I'd like things to work out for everyone, I'm concerned with SHF's use of it. I've got a feeling it exists to enroll a new bunch of investors in the next group of pump & dump stocks. The pumped Sticky-Towel-ElecticVan_Dissentary plays are dead. SHF needs new investors.
Lyrad (Crybad)
We really fucked up the original poll on talking to the media
I hear your concern. Question regarding this. Is there a place to tell the story, or communicate outside of superstonk? I don't mean physically, but I mean this space right here is related to superstonk. So, side projects etc.. and other efforts are off limits right? I say this because frame works already exist to get the story out. We just need someone to ask. "hey, what is the frame work to get this story out" lol. Or " how do we expand this story, educate people etc.." People expand education and awareness everyday." I'll give you this. If you've never done improv comedy. The answer sure as hell isn't "no, we can't" anyone that says " no we can't expand", needs to be out of the conversation of expanding. They are the wrong ones to include. "yes, and" is the only way to go. (edited)
guantanamo_babies_say_heyy
I hear your concern. Question regarding this. Is there a place to tell the story, or communicate outside of superstonk? I don't mean physically, but I mean this space right here is related to superstonk. So, side projects etc.. and other efforts are off limits right? I say this because frame works already exist to get the story out. We just need someone to ask. "hey, what is the frame work to get this story out" lol. Or " how do we expand this story, educate people etc.." People expand education and awareness everyday." I'll give you this. If you've never done improv comedy. The answer sure as hell isn't "no, we can't" anyone that says " no we can't expand", needs to be out of the conversation of expanding. They are the wrong ones to include. "yes, and" is the only way to go. (edited)
Or even just a fun thought. I'd like to leave you with this. Ask all the people you know involved in the saga what their professions are. Then ask," do you have anyone here who has worked in sales, marketing, or account management?" Ask "has anyone ever worked in an influecing role (not youtube) or territory expansion & management? If not. Do you think this is a problem? Do you think this is a solution? Think about this: In any organization no matter what role, sales always gets paid the highest. Why? It must be a desirable skill. I don't know who any of you are, maybe are real wrinkle brains. Wrinke brains are great at wrinkle brain stuff, but should wrinkle brains be leading the expansion of knowelge (the sales & marketing) of the gme saga? ---- This of this like you're solving a business problem. Like, you've got a decentalized finance company with tones of analysts, but your presence isn't growing... why? I recommend not answering right away. But see the probelm, then the obvious solution (edited)
Lyrad (Crybad)
I wish we had a media package to give out to inquiring journalists rather than just ghosting.
With a Stand Alone Complex growth is a given. Other large centralized entities may be able to slow it down but that's about it. Basically everyone's reaction to the BS is roughly the same but diverse enough to actually mimic a large centralized organization despite being decentralized in nature.
In other words their fears are already realized and I do think that's why you see so many shills in each unique community trying to sow division and hate.
8:24 PM
I can link my discussion on it if you want me to?
LastResortFriend
With a Stand Alone Complex growth is a given. Other large centralized entities may be able to slow it down but that's about it. Basically everyone's reaction to the BS is roughly the same but diverse enough to actually mimic a large centralized organization despite being decentralized in nature.
In other words their fears are already realized and I do think that's why you see so many shills in each unique community trying to sow division and hate.
Nice. Well there are absolutely ways to accelerate growth, of pretty much anything. What i'd think would be very interesting, is a causal conversation with folks that have experience in this very arena. heck, without even going into the nitty gritty, but just how to expand a conversation. Thats it. Nothing more. If this conversation happens, in my mind, there is a chance for significant growth.
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not in an organized fashion. the sub about killed us when we even tried to have a twitter account
Y'all did it without even speaking to the users. That was a major fuckup and is completely understandable and avoidable if it had been brought to the users.
@guantanamo_babies_say_heyy Ultimately, it go like this. get a word out does anyone want to have a conversation about growth that we haven't talked about specifically coming from people with expeirnce in the work force? If yes. Get a few together. From there, once their is interest... then simply shoot the shit about all things sales & marketing. But this conversation will not be the same as what you're used to hearing.
guantanamo_babies_say_heyy
Nice. Well there are absolutely ways to accelerate growth, of pretty much anything. What i'd think would be very interesting, is a causal conversation with folks that have experience in this very arena. heck, without even going into the nitty gritty, but just how to expand a conversation. Thats it. Nothing more. If this conversation happens, in my mind, there is a chance for significant growth.
the real thing that accelerated this growth was the prospect of financial gain. Plenty of folk want to see fairness in markets, but until there was an event like moass to rally at there was nothing pulling in large numbers of people
TiberiusWoodwind
the real thing that accelerated this growth was the prospect of financial gain. Plenty of folk want to see fairness in markets, but until there was an event like moass to rally at there was nothing pulling in large numbers of people
So gamestop becoming financially successful, I would imagine, is going to be another factor like that. Because again, them getting consistently profitable brings in more eyes
@TiberiusWoodwind The first step is get people with experince to have this discussion. I don't know how to teach music. You do. You wouldn't want someone without expereince teaching music to try. I know writers that attempt to make their own book covers, they come out alright, but not great. Now lets be honest, we've got wrinle brains, maybe a bunch of nerds lol. That want to discuss how to expand and grow. It's usually the "jocks, and pimps" that know how to do with lol. There are systems to expansion.
guantanamo_babies_say_heyy
@TiberiusWoodwind The first step is get people with experince to have this discussion. I don't know how to teach music. You do. You wouldn't want someone without expereince teaching music to try. I know writers that attempt to make their own book covers, they come out alright, but not great. Now lets be honest, we've got wrinle brains, maybe a bunch of nerds lol. That want to discuss how to expand and grow. It's usually the "jocks, and pimps" that know how to do with lol. There are systems to expansion.
sneeze level is considerably tougher at this point with larger float and higher price. options drove the momentum going into the sneeze and right now its pretty nonexistent compared to late 2020. but its a tough call. Couple good earnings could bring in inst level longs to buy up a good chunk of the float. that activitiy interests momentum traders, wsb cant help but degen in. So its not and impossibility but there was a really low barrier to entry in 2020 and a lot of momentum. I can see some signs in velocity trends that momentum is starting to move up again but its a slow grind
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There is a lot to discuss. But ultimarly, ya just need some wrinkle brains that have any normal experince in sales, accountmangement, marketing etc... One thing thats for sure, each discipline is way fucking different.
Ok, I think I'm following. So if the goal is talking to lets say a podcaster because they have potential to reach a large audience their care points might be 1) widely interesting story 2) factually accurate 3) easy to explain
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LastResortFriend
Sounds like another team could be formed from within the community that can manage smaller teams of these specialized people.
@LastResortFriend I'd say 100%, everything can always stay decentralized and never actually speaking of the stock to do this. But the first step is to have some people that are either eager to learn, good with people, or have had sales and marketing epxiernce. If anyone in this group had difficulty getting laid, they shouldn't be included.
TiberiusWoodwind
Ok, I think I'm following. So if the goal is talking to lets say a podcaster because they have potential to reach a large audience their care points might be 1) widely interesting story 2) factually accurate 3) easy to explain
For me, it'd be just first getting together a team of people and saying, from what you've seen, and comparing it to what you've done in the field, if you had to market this for your job, what would you do. Thats the question.
guantanamo_babies_say_heyy
@LastResortFriend I'd say 100%, everything can always stay decentralized and never actually speaking of the stock to do this. But the first step is to have some people that are either eager to learn, good with people, or have had sales and marketing epxiernce. If anyone in this group had difficulty getting laid, they shouldn't be included.
Bet. I'm already running my own crew and it's not a project we can take on at this time, though I would love to. We're a bit busy sowing transparency and sustainability to various ape communities.
LastResortFriend
Bet. I'm already running my own crew and it's not a project we can take on at this time, though I would love to. We're a bit busy sowing transparency and sustainability to various ape communities.
I 100% do not want to be a youtuber funk that. But, at first I think it's a good idea, if a conversation was to be had, to set up at least an agreement, that... hmm, it'd be nice to discuss. Heck, even saying, it'd be nice to discuss just finding other people like MrDick In Potates said
guantanamo_babies_say_heyy
I 100% do not want to be a youtuber funk that. But, at first I think it's a good idea, if a conversation was to be had, to set up at least an agreement, that... hmm, it'd be nice to discuss. Heck, even saying, it'd be nice to discuss just finding other people like MrDick In Potates said
Yeah we really all need publicity. I've been wanting to start a podcast but I'm conflicted about it's nature. If I make it casual and about people I can monetize it, if I make it about ape business and digging in I probably couldn't which has sustainability problems for me personally right now.
LastResortFriend
Yeah we really all need publicity. I've been wanting to start a podcast but I'm conflicted about it's nature. If I make it casual and about people I can monetize it, if I make it about ape business and digging in I probably couldn't which has sustainability problems for me personally right now.
@LastResortFriend for me, the expansion of all this is not to be monitized. But do you think it's not a bad Idiea to at least discuss finding others that have experince in the realm of expansion in their daily life? And do you think it's not a bad idea to at least tenetively discuss forming a group, to further discuss lol ()could be one meeting, maybe more, who knows(edited)
guantanamo_babies_say_heyy
I 100% do not want to be a youtuber funk that. But, at first I think it's a good idea, if a conversation was to be had, to set up at least an agreement, that... hmm, it'd be nice to discuss. Heck, even saying, it'd be nice to discuss just finding other people like MrDick In Potates said
I do see good opportunity to attract a lot of people who are crypto/defi/web3 interested eventually and that can expand the community since there's already roots there in wanting to bring about change to the financial system. but the barrier at the moment is crypto's own bear market. GSMP can't really do much since web3 game companies aren't releasing games and what is there is ok but we haven't hit a big game yet. Web3 game companies do not want to release games in a bear market because their in game assets will like fluctuate in value with the broader crypto market. So if there's still room to go down there, they want to wait til that bottom confirmation is in. If the assets track with the market, theres incentive from players to dump them immediately in order to recoup value. but if the market is trending up and assets trend with it then players are more likely to hodl since the asset is gaining value. And devs want to see these assets held and going up because that attracts more players too.
It's why I liken gme to the gas station before the car was invented. Yeah, itll be a big deal, but theres nothing to use it for yet.
guantanamo_babies_say_heyy
@LastResortFriend for me, the expansion of all this is not to be monitized. But do you think it's not a bad Idiea to at least discuss finding others that have experince in the realm of expansion in their daily life? And do you think it's not a bad idea to at least tenetively discuss forming a group, to further discuss lol ()could be one meeting, maybe more, who knows (edited)
Oh it's a great idea, one of the folks in my crew has good experience with helping out political grassroots organizations for example. People like that are gonna be crucial among others.(edited)
LastResortFriend
Oh it's a great idea, one of the folks in my crew has good experience with helping out political grassroots organizations for example. People like that are gonna be crucial among others. (edited)
I do see good opportunity to attract a lot of people who are crypto/defi/web3 interested eventually and that can expand the community since there's already roots there in wanting to bring about change to the financial system. but the barrier at the moment is crypto's own bear market. GSMP can't really do much since web3 game companies aren't releasing games and what is there is ok but we haven't hit a big game yet. Web3 game companies do not want to release games in a bear market because their in game assets will like fluctuate in value with the broader crypto market. So if there's still room to go down there, they want to wait til that bottom confirmation is in. If the assets track with the market, theres incentive from players to dump them immediately in order to recoup value. but if the market is trending up and assets trend with it then players are more likely to hodl since the asset is gaining value. And devs want to see these assets held and going up because that attracts more players too.
It's why I liken gme to the gas station before the car was invented. Yeah, itll be a big deal, but theres nothing to use it for yet.
Great bridges for that are the LRC and Immutable folks, once they get something to shout about that's actually big they'll draw in a ton of the crypto and web 3 crowd for sure.
LastResortFriend
Great bridges for that are the LRC and Immutable folks, once they get something to shout about that's actually big they'll draw in a ton of the crypto and web 3 crowd for sure.
no, think broader and better financed. the entire DeFi space hates centralized banks and wants to see more equity. Combined thats way bigger than LRC and IMX.
I do what I can, in a couple months after a health issue is resolved I'll be able to take on more. Get with me in DMs sometime if you want to talk about what we can do together and talk people who may fit the bill.
so that intersectionality of gme interesting gamers, and folks in finance about the stonk, and folks in web3....thats the big community to get interested
TiberiusWoodwind
so that intersectionality of gme interesting gamers, and folks in finance about the stonk, and folks in web3....thats the big community to get interested
I do what I can, in a couple months after a health issue is resolved I'll be able to take on more. Get with me in DMs sometime if you want to talk about what we can do together and talk people who may fit the bill.
Exibit A: Nothing crazy, but this style converstion was HUNTING/PROSPECTING. The goal was to get a yes to set an appointment. In sales there are a few roles such as Hunters/closers/farmers. I didn't discuss everything, it wouldn't have went anywhere. I focused on simply getting you to commit, even a little bit. I aslo ignored @TiberiusWoodwind , beucase he was a bit bearish ( I love you man lol). There are things we can all learn that have ZERO to do with the stock. If, the community learned how to do a few things, we'd organically grow. Trust me bro lol. I'm out.
word. but like I said. the big wall is crypto bear market and folks not recognizing itll eventually end. when it wakes up the people building will start rolling out the stuff that gets these communities highly engaged.
Like i dont get why people cared about gme shutting down the wallet. that should be a good thing. Cause we are seeing news now of IMX's passport that covers their games. Thats the real end goal for broad adoption. They can still interact with the marketplace but it makes it easier on gamers than having a separate wallet. I feel like the gamestop wallet was just a training system to get us used to how web3 games work. It was rough and buggy and never left beta but for them they just needed something that would cover the gap til IMX had a good native wallet in the game
guantanamo_babies_say_heyy
Exibit A: Nothing crazy, but this style converstion was HUNTING/PROSPECTING. The goal was to get a yes to set an appointment. In sales there are a few roles such as Hunters/closers/farmers. I didn't discuss everything, it wouldn't have went anywhere. I focused on simply getting you to commit, even a little bit. I aslo ignored @TiberiusWoodwind , beucase he was a bit bearish ( I love you man lol). There are things we can all learn that have ZERO to do with the stock. If, the community learned how to do a few things, we'd organically grow. Trust me bro lol. I'm out.
Exibit A: Nothing crazy, but this style converstion was HUNTING/PROSPECTING. The goal was to get a yes to set an appointment. In sales there are a few roles such as Hunters/closers/farmers. I didn't discuss everything, it wouldn't have went anywhere. I focused on simply getting you to commit, even a little bit. I aslo ignored @TiberiusWoodwind , beucase he was a bit bearish ( I love you man lol). There are things we can all learn that have ZERO to do with the stock. If, the community learned how to do a few things, we'd organically grow. Trust me bro lol. I'm out.
If you come at me with that kind of energy, IE directing it towards work, I'll respond happily to it haha. I have found very few DOers so I collect y'all like pokemon.
lol glad you mentioned that because I have pfps turned off lol
TiberiusWoodwind
word. but like I said. the big wall is crypto bear market and folks not recognizing itll eventually end. when it wakes up the people building will start rolling out the stuff that gets these communities highly engaged.
Like i dont get why people cared about gme shutting down the wallet. that should be a good thing. Cause we are seeing news now of IMX's passport that covers their games. Thats the real end goal for broad adoption. They can still interact with the marketplace but it makes it easier on gamers than having a separate wallet. I feel like the gamestop wallet was just a training system to get us used to how web3 games work. It was rough and buggy and never left beta but for them they just needed something that would cover the gap til IMX had a good native wallet in the game
The SCC post will be pinned tomorrow. I made all changes discussed by the team, with the exception of making all your user names hyperlinks because it was too much work (sorry) and people will be able to find you in the comment section if you want to say anything.
Feel free to pop in and share your perspective in the post: the good, the bad, the ugly. It's one thing for me to say how things are seeming to go in here -- quite another for y'all to share your personal observations(edited)
You mean "Ryanko" whose signature move is its deathly squeeze grip?(edited)
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luma44
Feel free to pop in and share your perspective in the post: the good, the bad, the ugly. It's one thing for me to say how things are seeming to go in here -- quite another for y'all to share your personal observations (edited)
Yes, of course you can. But if you have critical feedback, I'd love it if you shared it here so we could actually address it. You can bring it to the sub, but the outcome is the same, we'll want to find a way forward to address it.
8:27 AM
However, the point is transparency, and if there's something you don't agree with and want to present it to the sub, that's in bounds
8:28 AM
I just hope you'll give us a chance to work on it constructively.
Good feedback RW and I appreciate your perspective
8:43 AM
I think one point which I'll make here but not on the sub is that there's parallel conversations going on. We have this discord, and then the mod one, which is far busier (believe it or not)
8:44 AM
Unless we completely combine the two, you'll probably never know how much internal communication there is... but... to your credit, we do take independent actions sometimes and that can look like a miscommunication
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8:45 AM
If one person approves something right as a parallel discussion is being had to remove it for instance
luma44
Unless we completely combine the two, you'll probably never know how much internal communication there is... but... to your credit, we do take independent actions sometimes and that can look like a miscommunication
Unfortunately, every step towards that is also sort of a step towards authorianism. The only way it could work on the platform is if lower level mods made a recommendation that was executed by a higher level mod
8:47 AM
I'm definitely against that
luma44
Unfortunately, every step towards that is also sort of a step towards authorianism. The only way it could work on the platform is if lower level mods made a recommendation that was executed by a higher level mod
In a perfect world, as long as a quorum was met, action could be taken. It requires that other moderators are not in the dark and that everyone can be kept in the loop.
^This is a message from your exchange with Jackofspades123 and they were letting you know about three posts. Automod removed it because of their embedded image
10:05 PM
Looks like they take exception to the first post, but this is the engagement on the sticky related to the first post.
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These are screenshots of the removed ones
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I disagree with their assessment that these are equivalent
the salvatore tweet - nothing to do with gme besides him mentioning RC but its in the context of bbbyq/teddy.
the court order - Motion to dismiss was granted in part. ultimately this is just not enough effort on OP's part. take the time to go figure out what granted in part means, then it might be at least worth sharing. still, not at all related to gme.
the WSJ story - nothing to do with GME. Also it was based on the SEC looking into a year ago. If you read the article there's nothing updated since the year prior. Probably should have been given misleading title flair at the time because its making it seem as if its a new thing
10:48 PM
I think folks need to start recognizing that if RC has a photo taken of him with a Big Mac that it doesn't mean $MCD is suddenly relavant to GME.
10:51 PM
RC could wear Nike shoes, $NKE is not relavant to GME. RC could buy a Tesla car, $TSLA is not relavant to GME. RC could go watch the Lion King, $DIS is not relavant to GME
10:53 PM
and it makes the place seem dumb and culty when these type of connections get treated as reasonable with so little behind the idea
I see it too. But I also see the counterpoint. If he were being probed from sexual harassment, would we say, well, that's not relevant... it's not GME related. The ticker involved aside, the fact that your chairman/CEO is being probed by the SEC for anything is relevant to GME, just as it would be relevant if it was not RC but a member of his c-suite.
In my personal opinion, the fact that the probe was old but presented as new news was the most misleading part.
I do see both sides of this. I wasn't involved in the call, but if this particular post was presented to me I would have erred on the side of approving it.
luma44
I see it too. But I also see the counterpoint. If he were being probed from sexual harassment, would we say, well, that's not relevant... it's not GME related. The ticker involved aside, the fact that your chairman/CEO is being probed by the SEC for anything is relevant to GME, just as it would be relevant if it was not RC but a member of his c-suite.
In my personal opinion, the fact that the probe was old but presented as new news was the most misleading part.
I do see both sides of this. I wasn't involved in the call, but if this particular post was presented to me I would have erred on the side of approving it.
Well, I thought I did answer it. Ticker involved aside the probe is newsworthy
6:31 AM
To me, this is not a bbby article. It's an RC one
6:31 AM
The fact that it involves another ticker isn't, to me, the focus.
6:34 AM
Again, it's reinforcing that often our decisions are gray. Nobody is pleased with all of them all the time, but we do err on the side of keeping content up if there appears to be relevance to GME -- the CEO being probed (for anything) is newsworthy.
6:34 AM
That's my read on it, bearing it mind that I'd never engaged with this content before
luma44
Well, I thought I did answer it. Ticker involved aside the probe is newsworthy
I don’t see the email as being fake, but that is a possibility. I also don’t see the big deal about it either?
The subject line is ‘Survival’ but he goes on to define what survival means, which appears to be the current state of affairs with GameStop anyways
Platinumsparkles
the things that are in it are factual, and RC doesnt seem like he cares too much about PR and making things flowery
Personally, I'm inclined to believe the email is real even though the style of writing seems odd- (as in if I were to impersonate RC I would write like that kind of way) because the price dropped and short volume increased > 600% yesterday.
Either the market didn't like RC as a CEO, or the market didn't like the contents of the email- Which is effectively a war cry that the market might view bearishly on.
It’s like a news headline like: “The End of the World is Coming”
People only read the headlines, but the actual article talks about our solar system 100 million years from now, etc.
There’s nothing in the email that seemed bad from my POV
Yeah it's not, and us apes would see this as bullish. But I think the institutions probably would not take this information- if true- kindly- and they would verify before making moves- hence my reasoning.
But it's still just conjuncture and will probably continue to be
The email reminded me of Kendall Roy’s “Thousand Lifeboats” speech in Succession. It may be factual, but it did not inspire confidence. It stressed me out reading it.
Rough_Willow
You're starting on an assumption that it's real. Disgruntled users want evidence that it's real.
BED BATH & BEYOND SHARES WERE OFFICIALLY CANCELED TODAY AS THE BANKRUPTCY PLAN WENT INTO EFFECT
THE SHARES NOW HAVE “NO VALUE”SAID BED BATH & BEYOND IN A FILING TODAY
$BBBY $BBBYQ
A part of me hopes it happens, I hate to see so many retail people get screwed again.
The other, darker side, of me says they deserve it, we have been screaming that this is going to happen for months now. Ignoring all facts and living in tin foil alone does not make for a good story.
We have gone to great lengths to show them the warning signs only to get called compromised and shills.(edited)
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9:38 AM
Just like GME, bring on the counter DD. We would explore it and try to prove/disprove it. So far there has been no counter argument for GME
9:40 AM
AMC is going down the same path as BBBY. Once again, so many people are going to lose everything because they chose to ignore the fact before their eyes and listened to the snake AA.
9:41 AM
Just think how much closer we would be done with this whole saga if all that wasted money in those 2 stocks went into GME.
Ugh, why do I agree with all of the above. The thing is, we have a lot of facts to point to for GME in the DD library. A lot of it is admittedly speculation, but there's a lot of bullish facts we have (0 debt, war chest, etc.)
10:20 AM
Meanwhile, BBBY crowd:(edited)
10:25 AM
"we have been screaming that this is going to happen for months now."
This same kind of screaming saved me from AMC, but I was open to listen. The people screaming weren't very nice about it. There's definitely a sense of elitism and frank bluntness on Superstonk, which is really off putting for a lot of people who don't stick around. Towing in the assholeishness while sticking to the facts and laser focus on GME would go a long way, but the nicer/more patient you are the more you open yourself to the bad actors who will take a mile when you give an inch.
ProgVirus
"we have been screaming that this is going to happen for months now."
This same kind of screaming saved me from AMC, but I was open to listen. The people screaming weren't very nice about it. There's definitely a sense of elitism and frank bluntness on Superstonk, which is really off putting for a lot of people who don't stick around. Towing in the assholeishness while sticking to the facts and laser focus on GME would go a long way, but the nicer/more patient you are the more you open yourself to the bad actors who will take a mile when you give an inch.
Can't win, I agree. I hope a miracle happens for the BBB guys. I bought 3 shares with literally spare change in support, but I think they will fade to black come Monday.
Someone needs to tell RingingBells that if they can't take criticism without insulting people and blowing up like a child they shouldn't be posting.
Anytime anyone has even the slightest criticism of their posts or them, they absolutely lose their shit(edited)
12:27 PM
Dude reposts some popcorn DD he did, people call him out, and he just goes 0-100
Ugh, pain meds make me so dumb.
I was halfway through a "I'm sorry, I have to take this down because of Reddit's stupid definition of brigading..." response before I figured out which server this was.
I have 100 shares, basically a zero investment, I closed the rest of my positions in it for just enough profit to cover the cost of those shares, so I can't lose on it anymore, if it is dead, I broke even.
Lairian -Flairy Type-
Ugh, pain meds make me so dumb.
I was halfway through a "I'm sorry, I have to take this down because of Reddit's stupid definition of brigading..." response before I figured out which server this was.
Pain meds suck.
Sorry man.
As for ringing bells, just check the comments. They're going after people, claiming anyone criticizing them is "doxxing", just generally going full on apeshit and demanding people listen because they made a post a while ago that went big
12:36 PM
Idk if they're off meds or maybe having a bad day, but this guy can't be talking to people like this, consistently, over some criticism
Idk, but almost every single time I see them post and anyone criticized or disagrees with them, even in the slightest of ways, they egobomb and insult people.
They're a timebomb of insecurity and imo they need to be reminded that they can't act like this when you're posting as much as they do.
Either take the criticism and adjust, or post and move along.
12:40 PM
I mentioned they repost popcorn posts and change them to GME and post on SStonk, suddenly some posts have disappeared from their profile...
12:40 PM
I just find it odd
12:40 PM
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Diznavis
That ringingbells name is familiar, but I don't remember why. Could he have been one of the pickle crew?
I wouldn't say ban, but the guy needs to be reminded they can't just unleash all their anger because they made the choice to post and then don't like the responses.
They're consistently breaking rule 1, everytime I see someone even remotely disagree.
They're throwing insults, claiming disagreeing is doxxing of ideas, and just don't understand not everyone will agree with you because you claim you're a "massive DD writer"
SPCΞMΞmbΞr593
Can this thing end already? I just want my $ and I want it now.
I have my own exit strategy, involving only broker shares, I bought extra just for that purpose. I'm around 85% DRS and plan to keep all the DRS shares for the infinity pool. I don't know if we will really hit millions or not, but part of my strategy is to hold some broker shares for that level. The one thing I can say for sure is that if we do set stock price records, there will be no "way down" to sell into, and if there is, someone is trying to trick us into thinking it's over before all the shorts are closed. The only buyers at those levels are shorts being forced to close, and if they stop buying, the price will drop off a cliff immediately. Also, anyone using a market sell order during MOASS will get absolutely screwed.
I have multiple computers prepared, multiple ISP sources, and a backup/relocation plan to go where I can get online and do whatever it is I am going to do. Although they say it won't be fast, I have my plans and will execute accordingly. I'm with you though, I have infinity shares as well...
Caffeine & Ketamine
Idk, but almost every single time I see them post and anyone criticized or disagrees with them, even in the slightest of ways, they egobomb and insult people.
They're a timebomb of insecurity and imo they need to be reminded that they can't act like this when you're posting as much as they do.
Either take the criticism and adjust, or post and move along.
Also would help if they actually wrote a full post on their topic instead of flairing screencaps as dd with no explanation in the post and instead just linking random comments.
IMO, mod needs to have a chat with them about organizing their thoughts because right now it always just sounds like ranting
In the spirit of being as pedantic as possible, would this make more sense in #user-discussion maybe in a thread (the same fashion we do posts)? Just thinking it may be easier to follow if this discussion goes on for a few days, etc.
In the spirit of being as pedantic as possible, would this make more sense in #user-discussion maybe in a thread (the same fashion we do posts)? Just thinking it may be easier to follow if this discussion goes on for a few days, etc.
Sorry, was me removing the comment they replied to as well as theirs. Yours was technically a "call out" (rule 5) but nothing problematic (hence nothing more than a comment removal).
FluffyTrex
Sorry, was me removing the comment they replied to as well as theirs. Yours was technically a "call out" (rule 5) but nothing problematic (hence nothing more than a comment removal).
Check the comments too. Neither of these users appear to have any Superstonk posts/comments, at least that I could see briefly scrolling. The top one is a guy really into Warhammer and 3D printing.
It really does look like hacked accounts are being used to brigade the sub from my POV
Lots of people are gonna assume we're compromised because they have it in their heads the mods are. I don't blame some for wanting to avoid labels like that.
LastResortFriend
Lots of people are gonna assume we're compromised because they have it in their heads the mods are. I don't blame some for wanting to avoid labels like that.
I explained it in the announcement post. We wanted 30. It's like 2:1 SCC to mod. Not too noisy. We would have had to do a lottery if we got 2000 applicants. But we got 30. It was perfect... also, now there's no possibility of accusing us of cherry picking people or manipulating the process. We called. You answered. Simple.
8:08 AM
Simple is good
luma44
I explained it in the announcement post. We wanted 30. It's like 2:1 SCC to mod. Not too noisy. We would have had to do a lottery if we got 2000 applicants. But we got 30. It was perfect... also, now there's no possibility of accusing us of cherry picking people or manipulating the process. We called. You answered. Simple.
I wish it were true but I've been told I'm a paid shill, that you guys specifically chose us for our special shill capabilities, and since there wasn't a vote among 800k people that it doesn't count.
So ill take my shill bucks please
Caffeine & Ketamine
I wish it were true but I've been told I'm a paid shill, that you guys specifically chose us for our special shill capabilities, and since there wasn't a vote among 800k people that it doesn't count.
So ill take my shill bucks please
Get in line, I'm still waiting for my first hedgie paycheck.
Caffeine & Ketamine
I wish it were true but I've been told I'm a paid shill, that you guys specifically chose us for our special shill capabilities, and since there wasn't a vote among 800k people that it doesn't count.
So ill take my shill bucks please
I wish it were true but I've been told I'm a paid shill, that you guys specifically chose us for our special shill capabilities, and since there wasn't a vote among 800k people that it doesn't count.
So ill take my shill bucks please
Well if an angry person on the sub said it then it must be true /j
luma44
I explained it in the announcement post. We wanted 30. It's like 2:1 SCC to mod. Not too noisy. We would have had to do a lottery if we got 2000 applicants. But we got 30. It was perfect... also, now there's no possibility of accusing us of cherry picking people or manipulating the process. We called. You answered. Simple.
Wasn’t a complaint. Just commenting that if a bad actor wanted in, assuming you didn’t check post history on 30 very deeply, it was possible.
Caffeine & Ketamine
I wish it were true but I've been told I'm a paid shill, that you guys specifically chose us for our special shill capabilities, and since there wasn't a vote among 800k people that it doesn't count.
So ill take my shill bucks please
I expected to get some kind of hedgie offer (or possibly threat/blackmail) to do their bidding when I became a mod at the jungle, but nothing like that happened at all. I have no idea why.. maybe they work to get existing agents into positions instead of reaching out and hoping they can corrupt someone, maybe they already had other mods there, or maybe the jungle wasn't important enough for them to bother, or some other reason.
They'll put their own people in, not make offers. A screenshot of an offer would be too risky.
It's why I get very frustrated every time someone does the "let's remove all mods and vote in new ones!" thing
Diznavis
I expected to get some kind of hedgie offer (or possibly threat/blackmail) to do their bidding when I became a mod at the jungle, but nothing like that happened at all. I have no idea why.. maybe they work to get existing agents into positions instead of reaching out and hoping they can corrupt someone, maybe they already had other mods there, or maybe the jungle wasn't important enough for them to bother, or some other reason.
It’s a loose end for them. They won’t ask anyone ever because it’s proof.
What they will do is start up upvoting the fuck out of whatever posts help them because there’s no evidence there
I haven't watched it myself, but others have said it's meltdowner material. I'm sure from last night that hacked Reddit accounts are being used to push/promote it as well. I don't think we should give that a platform
Interested in what others think too - I still think I'm a hard no for keeping a post, just because of the meta going on around it. If it contains subreddit names outside of Superstonk or usernames, I'd be cautious at any rate because Reddit Admins are big dumb and could see us pointing to a YouTube video pointing to those subs/users as some offense in their twisted, myopic worldview
I watched about 40 mins of it. Its quite critical and covers a lot of subjects including the meta of the community and some of the DDs (although he starts off with heat lamp theory, urgh). There is a meltdowny lens that he sees through but there's also clearly a lot of work put into this, some (not all) is pretty fair criticism IMO that's worthy of debate, and might have a strengthening effect of those DDs.
Yeah, you guys (mods) made it seem that a minefield was before the sub and anything/everything calling out names or other subs would get the SS yoinked.
I think it's worthwhile to bring up that I am fairly certain hacked Reddit accounts were being used last night to push and promote the movie. I have an example of this I can provide - a Redditor with 0 history of posting in the GME sphere of subs posting how the movie was "essential watching for everyone"
I'm not sure if I'm the only one who sees this as a red flag, but to clarify my perspective: someone paying for hacked Reddit accounts to push a narrative is pretty sus itself
The voices he uses to read quotes says a lot to me.
ProgVirus
I think it's worthwhile to bring up that I am fairly certain hacked Reddit accounts were being used last night to push and promote the movie. I have an example of this I can provide - a Redditor with 0 history of posting in the GME sphere of subs posting how the movie was "essential watching for everyone"
I'm not sure if I'm the only one who sees this as a red flag, but to clarify my perspective: someone paying for hacked Reddit accounts to push a narrative is pretty sus itself
Well, so its pretty much meltdown material presented in a adult manner, but with a constant "look at these idiots" vibe.
Even the comments below the video are pretty harsh. Very different attitudes. One side is to break an evil system, the other side is "look at these morons and their cult".
11:14 AM
When I read this material I stop and think, ok... great CEO, no debt, making the business profitable, growing gaming industry. OK, whatever, back to my day.
11:14 AM
Let them laugh.
11:14 AM
What was the line? I could stay stupid longer than they can stay solvent?
Exactly what I'm saying - possible they could have deleted some posts, but it seems really out of place for this user. Looks like a recently hacked account
ProgVirus
Exactly what I'm saying - possible they could have deleted some posts, but it seems really out of place for this user. Looks like a recently hacked account
Honestly I couldn't get through the whole thing.
There's subtle digs and the way it's presented, to untrained ears it seems like they're just "asking questions", but it's disingenuous in its nature.
The fact that it's being spammed by accounts with no history within the GME community, is sketchy at best.
Either this is a new method of invading the sub ( much like how the discord gets invaded by new/ hibernated accounts) , or it's just a bunch of people trying their best to overload Mods and push their agenda
I concede that this being a hacked account is speculation. I lurked through their profile posts/comments going back 3 years and see nothing within the GME-sphere. All around their province/city/3D printing/Warhammer
could be.. but if we left one post and removed the rest then we wouldnt be "supressing outside ideas" basically like the video is accusing us of doing.. and maybe someone may want to counter it.. or it just dies in new
I'm very much against leaving this up and giving him clicks. If someone wants to take his points and put it in a post, fine bring it on.
Platinumsparkles
could be.. but if we left one post and removed the rest then we wouldnt be "supressing outside ideas" basically like the video is accusing us of doing.. and maybe someone may want to counter it.. or it just dies in new
They're attempting a "gotcha!", by utilizing a loophole of logic.
When someone puts you in a corner with no way out, then villifies your only option. They KNOW that what their doing is wrong but spending time producing a scenario where they portray themselves as a victim..
They've manufactured a situation where nobody wins. It's disingenuous and an attempt that been gaining traction lately:
Form a loophole of irrational arguments, position yourself as just this impartial curious person, lay out any suppression of their ideas is proof of their point, then play victim when they ultimately bend the rules to the point where Mods have to act.
11:29 AM
Honestly, it's like paying or refusing to pay terrorists.
Do you either give in, allowing the terror to continue, when others know they'll get paid, or do you attempt to just bite the bullet this one time, making an example of them
11:31 AM
In the years since this play started, not one person has been able to legitimately break down why it is wrong....if it was a well thought out post, where they laid out data and facts provided with evidence...then sure.
But this is a mass spammed video, coinciding with Bbby nonsense
I’ve had only a brief viewing of the vid since I’m busy with house stuff today but here’s my quick points
1) he uses hyperbole a lot. Picking out some of the most extreme examples and saying it’s what most believe/did. He also on a few occasions just did not cite why an idea is wrong, he just said it is.
2) this is clearly just trying to ride the Dumb Money wave and trying to get in front of people wanting to know more. Lot of time went into making this and if the comments sound like incoherent yelling it makes apes look like the dumbasses he’s trying to say they are.
3) this should be a wake up call that we can’t afford Superstonk to become a haven for poorly written posts. He had all sorts of opportunity to pull extreme examples because the sub is full of them. I hate to say it, but the ability to make a hit piece like this was served to him on a silver platter because no one is telling the tinfoil folks that their crazy fucking ideas aren’t helpful.
4) now everyone who finds Superstonk through this guys vid is going to show up wondering how crazy apes are so it’s prime time for bad actors to load the sub up with inaccurate statements or more poor writing.
Do whatever with the vid because it’s got 500k views so the cats out of the bag. Removing it because it’s critical of the sub doesn’t look good. A useful action at this point would be to go over the vid in extreme detail and pick out anything he got wrong and clearly explaining things he got wrong and backing them with citations. And good luck getting that done before every angry rabbler starts making their angry posts about it.
It really does pain me to say it, but this is the punishment for letting low effort posts flood the place. Every screen cap of a graph and a circle that got to stay up as TA, every speculation post with insane numbers no one ever fact checked, every data post with bad analysis.
@SPCΞMΞmbΞr593 I feel like a win from this vid is pointing to it and telling the sub that this is why we need the SCC and this is why heavy moderation matters and this is why low effort hype is harmful.
for the video, I think we cant keep it up since it does break the rule where we're not allowed to have subs and usernames showing... but I dont think we should remove conversations about it
luma44
For transparency, we did. Each one of you. One at a time. Post history. Activity on other subs. Felt you were all decent people.
for the video, I think we cant keep it up since it does break the rule where we're not allowed to have subs and usernames showing... but I dont think we should remove conversations about it
Agree. But that post will need a full time mod I’ll bet
TiberiusWoodwind
It really does pain me to say it, but this is the punishment for letting low effort posts flood the place. Every screen cap of a graph and a circle that got to stay up as TA, every speculation post with insane numbers no one ever fact checked, every data post with bad analysis.
@SPCΞMΞmbΞr593 I feel like a win from this vid is pointing to it and telling the sub that this is why we need the SCC and this is why heavy moderation matters and this is why low effort hype is harmful.
yep, and why we should be questioning the validity of EVERYTHING, not just an email written by RC .. the sub came out in full force trying to debunk that
Platinumsparkles
I guess we have the "no subreddits. usernames, etc can be shown" rule so it would break that rule... but thats the only rule it breaks
yep, and why we should be questioning the validity of EVERYTHING, not just an email written by RC .. the sub came out in full force trying to debunk that
I’m just annoyed. One because I’m exhausted. Two is that I feel like I complain about low effort shit a lot and a vid like this is why. Because anyone with a social media following can hammer us over every dumb thing said here and the entire sub looks idiotic
how do we make questioning things and asking for sources to back up claims the norm
TiberiusWoodwind
I’m just annoyed. One because I’m exhausted. Two is that I feel like I complain about low effort shit a lot and a vid like this is why. Because anyone with a social media following can hammer us over every dumb thing said here and the entire sub looks idiotic
Well right now we have ringingbells who makes posts often that have no body to them and make no effort to fully articulate his ideas. Has anyone addressed that?
There doesn’t seem to be any rule now involving News or Data posts where OP has to explain from their perspective what they are seeing or why is matters.
Speculation can involve zero evidence. When it would be reasonable to say “facts X, Y, and Z are true so I think N might be feasible”. Still speculative but OP is providing how they’ve reached the point where are taking a guess.
12:08 PM
But I could write “I bought 3 shares this month to make Ken griffin cry and the price is always fake and no movement is ever predictable and company fundamentals don’t matter” as an opinion post and no one would bat an eye despite it being dumb as hell
This.
Every bad faith argument, every false idea, every conspiracy, can only be met and countered in the realm of ideas and debate.
Doing this wouldn't be for them, it's for everyone watching.
TiberiusWoodwind
Well right now we have ringingbells who makes posts often that have no body to them and make no effort to fully articulate his ideas. Has anyone addressed that?
There doesn’t seem to be any rule now involving News or Data posts where OP has to explain from their perspective what they are seeing or why is matters.
Speculation can involve zero evidence. When it would be reasonable to say “facts X, Y, and Z are true so I think N might be feasible”. Still speculative but OP is providing how they’ve reached the point where are taking a guess.
Seriously. Something needs to be done about that dude
Not only are their posts low effort, but anyone who disagrees with them is met with vitriol and vacuous rage
Platinumsparkles
if someone is going to cherry pick posts we cant really stop them, but it would be nice to have some sort of DD guideline.
I think we found the next SCC/Mod project...
We need to return to the old day of DD and readopt the scientific method when it comes to DD or anything speculative.
The thing is, I think the community would too.
We need to narrow the acceptable access of calling anything DD and what exactly is technically allowed to be considered GME DD & Macroeconomics that directly relates to GME and the SHFs that are currently against it.
12:43 PM
This community has too long relied on the work of the Apes who have either gone silent or just don't write anymore.
Caffeine & Ketamine
This community has too long relied on the work of the Apes who have either gone silent or just don't write anymore.
Im off to play Rummy, but will definitely be thinking about this... how do we encourage more peer review, and how do we get people to disagree respectfully
Cause anyone who has a really good response will come back to discuss. Or anyone who is interested in seeing the discussion will come back. But there are also folks who will forget it in a day.
Caffeine & Ketamine
I think we found the next SCC/Mod project...
We need to return to the old day of DD and readopt the scientific method when it comes to DD or anything speculative.
Enact new standards for what is considered proper discourse.
We need to work on what standards those will be and how we will maintain those standards without outright banning or suppressing accurate criticism.
I'll need to think on this.
There must be ways or some kind of process we can utilize within reddit or discord that allows us to get some kind of review process going that doesn't involve attacking the writers and having it forgotten by the next day
1:14 PM
@Platinumsparkles@Lyrad (Crybad)@luma44 any ideas please let us know, if there's any backend Reddit methods we don't know about that Mods can employ, whether it's delayed commenting, filtering posts into a "Needs reviewing" / "DD review day" etc.
I think maybe it could work very like our AMAs where we have 2 parts.
DD writers post their DD and people as question/comments in the thread per usual.
But then the DD writer needs to come back a week later addressing some of the top questions/comments/concerns?
Caffeine & Ketamine
@Platinumsparkles@Lyrad (Crybad)@luma44 any ideas please let us know, if there's any backend Reddit methods we don't know about that Mods can employ, whether it's delayed commenting, filtering posts into a "Needs reviewing" / "DD review day" etc.
Make a new sub called SuperStonkDD, restrict membership. DD writers submit to mod team for review. Those approved get posted to restricted sub (or read only sub with locked posts). All discussion happens in subsequent Mod approved posts (in SS) on said DD. Anything outside of it gets pulled.(edited)
I think maybe it could work very like our AMAs where we have 2 parts.
DD writers post their DD and people as question/comments in the thread per usual.
But then the DD writer needs to come back a week later addressing some of the top questions/comments/concerns?
Does anyone find it odd that this Youtuber has like an 8 year catalog of mostly 10-30 minute videos, but then in the current year or so they go to 2+ hour long / anti-ape stuff?
2:10 PM
It just feels... funded
Caffeine & Ketamine
I'll need to think on this.
There must be ways or some kind of process we can utilize within reddit or discord that allows us to get some kind of review process going that doesn't involve attacking the writers and having it forgotten by the next day
I mean 2.5 hours ... thats a committment right there
2:11 PM
And did you notice the crazy ass commercials that channel takes you to? I do a little yutubing, but I never get this level of weird commercial shit
2:11 PM
My Spidey sense... it tingles.
2:12 PM
I think someone wanted a counter movie post to rise in youtube searches the week this movie hits. Coupled with lots of comments at the bottom of the video that all say we are nuts.
2:13 PM
Oh, and throw a lot of views at it so it trends. I say ignore and ban the video. This is all a game to slow interest from newbies who use youtube.
I bet if I search gamestop youtube this gets near the top. let me see.
2:14 PM
bingO(edited)
2:14 PM
2:15 PM
Ad, 'doomed', 'i went to stores' (bet its negative), and bingo
2:19 PM
omg, the 50 states one is insane. Yeah, this all makes sense. Out of all the videos I could have gotten a hit on... they put that at #2
2:19 PM
wow
2:19 PM
We are the Cult of Insanity to the world.
Caffeine & Ketamine
@Platinumsparkles@Lyrad (Crybad)@luma44 any ideas please let us know, if there's any backend Reddit methods we don't know about that Mods can employ, whether it's delayed commenting, filtering posts into a "Needs reviewing" / "DD review day" etc.
So, this is my shoot-from-the hip answer but basically gmedd does the whole "pending review" on all DD so that they reflair all confirmed DD to something official.
2:20 PM
I'm sure that there are lots of ways to do something similar.(edited)
2:21 PM
But here's my hesitation
2:21 PM
Just being totally raw and honest with you.
luma44
So, this is my shoot-from-the hip answer but basically gmedd does the whole "pending review" on all DD so that they reflair all confirmed DD to something official.
Those voices need a place to speak and be heard. I understand your point of view, and I understand their using this to demean this sub… but some of that stuff in the post resonates with me. I changed on 3/10/21. Let them point and laugh. Michael B was laughed at with his play, then they were sweating…
2:55 PM
I have to go offline. I’ll stand down for a bit. I have come to appreciate all the mods more with my participation here. I mod some other subs but we deal with a different level of members or narrative.
This kind of shit is a major reason why I got out off the popcorn train right after it boomed.
There's no DD just people doing this cringe hype shit. It's low branch nonsense
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SPCΞMΞmbΞr593
Those voices need a place to speak and be heard. I understand your point of view, and I understand their using this to demean this sub… but some of that stuff in the post resonates with me. I changed on 3/10/21. Let them point and laugh. Michael B was laughed at with his play, then they were sweating…
I get the outrage, but that’s not what to show to the world. That anger is just apes living up to the “furious nut job” image any bad actor wants the place seen as.
TiberiusWoodwind
I get the outrage, but that’s not what to show to the world. That anger is just apes living up to the “furious nut job” image any bad actor wants the place seen as.
I'm noticing a MAJOR uptick in comments from accounts with zero interaction with any gme/ investment subs at all, since Mods have been taking down those videos.
But they have a sub for the people who made this video
5:35 PM
So it's a balance between "allowing discourse on substance" and "allowing a different sub with an agenda to engage here"
5:35 PM
If it was all about the DD that's one thing
5:35 PM
But the people coming here for the first time were just attacking the community. Not on substance.
5:36 PM
If you disagree with the call, I do not mind being challenged on it or reversing course. If any @Superstonk Mod think I made the wrong call, reverse it.
I support the lock imo. The video talk is being brigaded. Specifically those posts and not others implying theres a community or discord or something out there sharing them imo.
If the comment section is a train wreck leave it locked. But this video has gotten a significant number of views and it might be worth coming up with a well articulated response instead of letting the loudest/angriest voices make the place look like what it painted it as.
Im exhausted. Moving a house is tough. My calves hurt. My back hurts.
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TiberiusWoodwind
Is it possible they’ve never had ss interaction before because they just found it through the video?
I got halfway through the new one but I'm on the way to a work event
5:45 PM
Will finish it tonight supposedly it gets nuts at the end. We are antisemites?
TiberiusWoodwind
If the comment section is a train wreck leave it locked. But this video has gotten a significant number of views and it might be worth coming up with a well articulated response instead of letting the loudest/angriest voices make the place look like what it painted it as.
Im exhausted. Moving a house is tough. My calves hurt. My back hurts.
All because they invested in a stock that they knew was going to go down, they're petty and now being trolls.
Tbh I now understand half the shit yall have been dealing with....which oddly enough is making me want to work harder
Sorry folks, been extremely busy with work lately, haven't had time to check in.
Hopefully yall are doing well.
I'm noticing these bbbyq folks are becoming less aggressive and turning into more false cheerleading "no dividing! Let's work together! Ape no fight ape!" & trying to get others to form a "unit".
Sounds about right. Aggressive bullying over, hornets nest kicked, now time to play victim.
Caffeine & Ketamine
Sorry folks, been extremely busy with work lately, haven't had time to check in.
Hopefully yall are doing well.
I'm noticing these bbbyq folks are becoming less aggressive and turning into more false cheerleading "no dividing! Let's work together! Ape no fight ape!" & trying to get others to form a "unit".
Some of these people are also invested in GME, so it's worthwhile to support their needs. Discussing a dead ticker doesn't seem useful, but they have subs they can do that on.
Caffeine & Ketamine
Sorry folks, been extremely busy with work lately, haven't had time to check in.
Hopefully yall are doing well.
I'm noticing these bbbyq folks are becoming less aggressive and turning into more false cheerleading "no dividing! Let's work together! Ape no fight ape!" & trying to get others to form a "unit".
Pretty much spot on in my experience these last few days. Lots of butterfly posts. Seems to be dying down a bit but I'm sure we'll see more.
Rough_Willow
Some of these people are also invested in GME, so it's worthwhile to support their needs. Discussing a dead ticker doesn't seem useful, but they have subs they can do that on.
Idk. 50/50 on that personally. They want to say they feel bad about being duped, I can empathize. But trying to continue the nonsense, that’s the line in the sand.
TiberiusWoodwind
Idk. 50/50 on that personally. They want to say they feel bad about being duped, I can empathize. But trying to continue the nonsense, that’s the line in the sand.
Technically, there isn't anything to continue. The stock is delisted and cannot be bought or sold. There's no financial risk unless they're trying to tie into another stock.
Rough_Willow
Technically, there isn't anything to continue. The stock is delisted and cannot be bought or sold. There's no financial risk unless they're trying to tie into another stock.
Love the subscriber trendline. I recall being about under the first 2k subscribers during that migration. I remember logging in the next day and going 'whoa!'
The anniversary of the photo of them together is the 17th. One person reprots when talking to the Computershare employee they reached (when the called Mellon it went to Computershare)
"The Computershare employee informed me that Computershare will be providing for Mellon Investment LLC's transfer agent services beginning on October 16th!"
@SPCΞMΞmbΞr593 I appreciate your updates on BBBY. As much as I dislike the lack of critical thinking some folks are doing, it's nice to know the soup du jour tinfoil
12:45 PM
So far, this sums up my interactions with BBBY holders lmao. I still think it's 100% hopium, but given Superstonk is being brigaded by BBBY/PP show people, it's helpful to at least know what the current narrative is
12:47 PM
(To me it's hard not to see this as a bad actor intentionally sowing division fwiw, I really do try to give the benefit of the doubt)
So, what conclusions are being drawn for that? I'd like to see an example of last quarterly letter too tbh, is the point just that DRS is mentioned?
2:15 PM
It just seems informational but I can see how it's relevant if the language had recently changed to include this. I think all you can really draw from this image alone (without more context anyways) is that they're letting investors know DRS is a thing, which yeah is pretty cool
Timing. I think its the timing of this all. Sure, I don't have any letters prior to that one, and I agree... is this new or a standard bit of verbiage they have in every letter...
You can't buy or sell this stock right now so it is major tinfoil and no harm per se to at least look at the tea leaves. They are showing some interesting things at a very interesting time.
2:22 PM
I might have less than $20 bucks in shares here, just keeping an eye on it. I find it better to think about this tinfoil rather than the r/UFOs foil these days.
The text at the end of the movie literally says something like the movement that Keith Gill started is till ongoing. Wallstreet will never under estimate Dumb Money again
It's a team effort! This community is coming together, and it's credit to every GME investor out there. We're making history here, and everyone who participates deserves to revel in that victory but appreciate your support and kind words my dude (edited)
2:42 PM
I just feel bad I haven't been able to hang out here more - just as soon as Wall Street stop dicking around with our regulation efforts, I'll be able to check in more often
2:44 PM
also for note - team - please check onto the activism thread here. cornering Wall Street by levelling out the playing field through regulation and reform is an easy way to fast track our way towards MOASS, so keep involved
Reddit admins made it abundantly clear to them. The mods even made a post on the sub. They're choosing to not react, their mod even made that pseudo call to action post. Honestly they learned nothing from DRSyourGME's mistakes.
Reddit admins made it abundantly clear to them. The mods even made a post on the sub. They're choosing to not react, their mod even made that pseudo call to action post. Honestly they learned nothing from DRSyourGME's mistakes.
This sub takes on billion dollar hedge funds.
We can handle some trolls
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FluffyTrex
Reddit admins made it abundantly clear to them. The mods even made a post on the sub. They're choosing to not react, their mod even made that pseudo call to action post. Honestly they learned nothing from DRSyourGME's mistakes.
Seeing what went on with that post and the top comments being Kenny's dream come true on dividing retail money led me to a prediction for BBBYQ, which is that something unexpected will happen, but it will "unexpectedly" still wipe out shareholders. This will be to allow the operation to continue and give it "legitimacy" because it was "so close" to being accurate about BBBY.
Another option is that they are going to disappear and getting their sub nuked is an intentional part of that plan.
Diznavis
Seeing what went on with that post and the top comments being Kenny's dream come true on dividing retail money led me to a prediction for BBBYQ, which is that something unexpected will happen, but it will "unexpectedly" still wipe out shareholders. This will be to allow the operation to continue and give it "legitimacy" because it was "so close" to being accurate about BBBY.
Another option is that they are going to disappear and getting their sub nuked is an intentional part of that plan.
They already are wiped out. How do you wipe out further than the stock no longer trading? And the only reason it wasn’t expected was because everyone who told them to expect that was called a shill. Hell even the sub nuke thing is expected
I kindly asked the owner of superstonkdd if they would relinquish the sub… they weren’t using it.
I’ve been added to the mod list and I know about a week ago there was talk about having a specific DD sub. If this is still desired I’ll pass the sub on to the regular SS mods. Let me know. I just asked them to leave the mod group so I get #1 spot… I’ll do the same if this is to be passed on to be used as described…
11:32 AM
I’m not interested in modding it, just was trying to be helpful.
SPCΞMΞmbΞr593
I kindly asked the owner of superstonkdd if they would relinquish the sub… they weren’t using it.
I’ve been added to the mod list and I know about a week ago there was talk about having a specific DD sub. If this is still desired I’ll pass the sub on to the regular SS mods. Let me know. I just asked them to leave the mod group so I get #1 spot… I’ll do the same if this is to be passed on to be used as described…
The upside is that even though they swear leaving Reddit is what everyone is doing…..it’s not. They say it hoping the folks who followed them will continue to the next platform. Hasn’t panned out so hot
TiberiusWoodwind
They already are wiped out. How do you wipe out further than the stock no longer trading? And the only reason it wasn’t expected was because everyone who told them to expect that was called a shill. Hell even the sub nuke thing is expected
Just curious, have you not dug into anything Bobby at all or you are just instantly objecting to the idea that they are on to something? Are you short bbbyq?(edited)
12:24 PM
And for anyone with an open mind, likes a little foil in their lives, watch the latest Houston Wade vid that goes all into this.
Time did tell. Stock got delisted.
I've requested evidence showing RC and Icahn will save bbby...I have yet to receive any.
I dont like to see retail lose $, but I also don't like how those investors have handled themselves & aligned themselves with bad actors
12:32 PM
I'm open minded, but im also not unintelligent
12:34 PM
I haven't finished this most recent Houston video, and I'll give it a full watch, but so far it doesn't seem like much.
Im not pushing something you can buy. Some of you are overly recoiling from something that doesn’t make sense as to why, and why so hard.(edited)
SPCΞMΞmbΞr593
Just curious, have you not dug into anything Bobby at all or you are just instantly objecting to the idea that they are on to something? Are you short bbbyq? (edited)
Bud, bbbyq holders could own 4000% of the shares outstanding. 10k%. How ever many, it doesn’t matter. Because together shareholders and execs failed at the absolutely imperative aspect of running a profitable business. Profitability is not an option, it’s not something that can be ignored because of any other factor. Because if you are unable to keep the doors open, you will lose.
RC tried to come in and help them become profitable. They didn’t want it. And now he pens a letter saying the key to survival is cutting costs and money wasters have no place in the company. He does not care about a squeeze, he cares about a business, and bbbyq currently owns none of its own business.
Bbbyq, where was the strong retail interest in drs to prove their ownership. It was no where near as loud as GME’s, and that’s a failure on those investors to organize in a meaningful way that’s seems to be legally acceptable. And on the exec side they never put in their earnings reports the amount DRS despite it being acceptable to do so. Again, execs failing to something shareholders are interested in. But my own theory, bbbyq holders are lazy, because they read a single court doc from DTCC claiming the number of shares was more than should exist. Then instead of verifying that by pushing for drs, they just accepted it, despite it coming from an unreliable source. More failure.
And at no point in time does anyone look at these YouTube channels that get ad revenue and accept donations and think “hey maybe they are just saying what I want to hear so I’ll watch the video and they get paid”. I mean after all they kept saying the stock would bounce back up to highs, they said it wouldn’t be delisted, they said it wouldn’t be cancelled, they said RC/Icahn would come in with a last minute save. Hot air. So what’s the next hot tip coming out and why should we ignore these guys track record of being wrong?
And lastly on the idea of unity. You didn’t mention it but it deserves a mention. Bbbyq holders called SS mods who said it was being cancelled shills and bullshit artists. Bbbyq holders have shown their DD abilities frequently have zero accuracy. Bbbyq holders wasted enormous amounts of retail money on a poorly researched get rich quick scheme. So just as RC has no tolerance for time/money wasters, what exactly is there to gain by “uniting” with the bbbyq crowd? What value do they actually bring to the table? Or is this a repeat where we say “our view of them has clearly changed and we cut ties”.
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TiberiusWoodwind
Bud, bbbyq holders could own 4000% of the shares outstanding. 10k%. How ever many, it doesn’t matter. Because together shareholders and execs failed at the absolutely imperative aspect of running a profitable business. Profitability is not an option, it’s not something that can be ignored because of any other factor. Because if you are unable to keep the doors open, you will lose.
RC tried to come in and help them become profitable. They didn’t want it. And now he pens a letter saying the key to survival is cutting costs and money wasters have no place in the company. He does not care about a squeeze, he cares about a business, and bbbyq currently owns none of its own business.
Bbbyq, where was the strong retail interest in drs to prove their ownership. It was no where near as loud as GME’s, and that’s a failure on those investors to organize in a meaningful way that’s seems to be legally acceptable. And on the exec side they never put in their earnings reports the amount DRS despite it being acceptable to do so. Again, execs failing to something shareholders are interested in. But my own theory, bbbyq holders are lazy, because they read a single court doc from DTCC claiming the number of shares was more than should exist. Then instead of verifying that by pushing for drs, they just accepted it, despite it coming from an unreliable source. More failure.
And at no point in time does anyone look at these YouTube channels that get ad revenue and accept donations and think “hey maybe they are just saying what I want to hear so I’ll watch the video and they get paid”. I mean after all they kept saying the stock would bounce back up to highs, they said it wouldn’t be delisted, they said it wouldn’t be cancelled, they said RC/Icahn would come in with a last minute save. Hot air. So what’s the next hot tip coming out and why should we ignore these guys track record of being wrong?
And lastly on the idea of unity. You didn’t mention it but it deserves a mention. Bbbyq holders called SS mods who said it was being cancelled shills and bullshit artists. Bbbyq holders have shown their DD abilities frequently have zero accuracy. Bbbyq holders wasted enormous amounts of retail money on a poorly researched get rich quick scheme. So just as RC has no tolerance for time/money wasters, what exactly is there to gain by “uniting” with the bbbyq crowd? What value do they actually bring to the table? Or is this a repeat where we say “our view of them has clearly changed and we cut ties”.
Imagine every retail dollar wasted on that type of laziness.
12:54 PM
But I’ll hold you to my questions though. Why am I pretending like bbbyq crowd hasn’t loudly been wrong for a year and what value do they actually bring? Why are we dragging dead weight?
TiberiusWoodwind
This is the response I expect from someone who cares very little for company money.
Tib made a lot of good points and went into detail - tbh this came across as super disingenuous/bad faith to me. This is precisely the kind of crap response I'd expect/have gotten constantly from everyone talking BBBYQ - we provide a laundry list of common sense arguments and the only retort is frankly, lazy and brainless.
SPCΞMΞmbΞr593
Oh I care. I have a lot riding in GME and less than 20 shares of this other story.
That was their choice of course. I had nothing to do with it. Nor did I make a peep about this prior to it being delisted. Don’t watch, that’s fine. And I won’t mention this here again. Good luck.
SPCΞMΞmbΞr593
That was their choice of course. I had nothing to do with it. Nor did I make a peep about this prior to it being delisted. Don’t watch, that’s fine. And I won’t mention this here again. Good luck.
Nothing to do with it but you want to keep suggesting their delusions are real. Keep enabling those who will take more from them.
I personally don’t see this as funny or amusing. This is real people’s money and while folks here in this server might have better eyes for spotting falsehoods, many people are not as apt. A purpose we serve towards SS is not letting liars and con artists take advantage of people.
TiberiusWoodwind
Nothing to do with it but you want to keep suggesting their delusions are real. Keep enabling those who will take more from them.
I personally don’t see this as funny or amusing. This is real people’s money and while folks here in this server might have better eyes for spotting falsehoods, many people are not as apt. A purpose we serve towards SS is not letting liars and con artists take advantage of people.
You are a very honorable person, and I salute you for that. I am not as intelligent clearly, but I do find at times some unexpected things happen. Again, i am done and will not discuss it further, or seek to raise your temper as well. If something happens or not, I have enjoyed this discussion.
Hey all, I just got caught up on reading this discussion. What I liked was that it was respectful. What I observed is that there may be some raw nerves here.
If I may interject for a moment... this is important. It's not us vs them if you're buying a stock. That's how people who are short any of the tickers want us to act. They want us to eat each other so they can pick our bones. That cannot happen. Not in our sub. Not on the mod team. Not here.
We've been automodding butterflies and bbbyq. Not because we hate the trade or the ticket or its community. It's because we are only supporting GME. That's the entire superstonk mission. Now, do some people feel that bbbyq is a bad play? Yes. Some mods do too. Do some think it's a good play? Yes. There are grifters and players and winners and losers on every side of the story.
What we can do is speak respectfully, remembering that in the grand scheme this is about retail vs the cheaters. Some plays aren't going to win against the cheaters. But just as there's no wrong way to hold, there's no wrong play. There are unprofitable ones. But there are no wrong ones. We need to respect each other and remember that we're all on the same side. We are all individual investors, and we need to focus on the areas where our venn diagrams overlap... not our differences.
So, if you bring non GME stuff here, remember the person you're talking to has the right to be a full person with their own perspectives and deserves respect as being a member on the side of retail.(edited)
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luma44
Hey all, I just got caught up on reading this discussion. What I liked was that it was respectful. What I observed is that there may be some raw nerves here.
If I may interject for a moment... this is important. It's not us vs them if you're buying a stock. That's how people who are short any of the tickers want us to act. They want us to eat each other so they can pick our bones. That cannot happen. Not in our sub. Not on the mod team. Not here.
We've been automodding butterflies and bbbyq. Not because we hate the trade or the ticket or its community. It's because we are only supporting GME. That's the entire superstonk mission. Now, do some people feel that bbbyq is a bad play? Yes. Some mods do too. Do some think it's a good play? Yes. There are grifters and players and winners and losers on every side of the story.
What we can do is speak respectfully, remembering that in the grand scheme this is about retail vs the cheaters. Some plays aren't going to win against the cheaters. But just as there's no wrong way to hold, there's no wrong play. There are unprofitable ones. But there are no wrong ones. We need to respect each other and remember that we're all on the same side. We are all individual investors, and we need to focus on the areas where our venn diagrams overlap... not our differences.
So, if you bring non GME stuff here, remember the person you're talking to has the right to be a full person with their own perspectives and deserves respect as being a member on the side of retail. (edited)
So @everyone, let's talk war.
I wish this wasn't our first foray into war since this saga began, but we dealt with this when Ukraine was invaded.
We don't know how long or how serious this could end up being. We know that it will continue to evolve, and there will be a metric crapton of news and misinformation and propaganda and crises.
This could be world war 3. This could be a one week thing that turns back into a tense stalemate.
Either way, the war in Israel isn't GME.
It's going to come up time and again. There will be posts and comments. There will be reports. As long as this is escalating, it will be bleeding into our sub.
Here's our position as a mod team, calibrated through discussion and guided by prior principles.
War news - not on our sub. It's not GME. It's not our mission. There are news subs and news sources all over the internet. There's plenty of nooks and crannies on reddit for people to talk the politics and news of this war. But not superstonk.
Now, this being said, there will be a narrow (and I do mean narrow) lane for macroeconomic content relating to the effect of war on the global economy and specifically gme. But the case has to be made that whatever reference to the war ties explicitly back to macroeconomic threads and GME. If that case is not made, we will be removing the content.
Why? Because this is highly political, potentially rife with propaganda and misinformation, and clearly not our focus relating to GME. It has the potential to drown out important market-related issues and objectives (like comment letter drives and rule changes) and can turn our sub into a big propaganda machine (we saw that with Ukraine/Russia)(edited)
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7:40 AM
So, Shields up. Stay vigilant. And let's keep this place on topic
7:41 AM
This isn't a deviation from the norm. This is upholding existing rules.
I'm not sure that we have any at the ready, but our discord is a one way trap - everything discussed about Ukraine is still there for the finding if we need to find parallels
Some context here. Looks like they posted a trailer for a switch game. It has a scene with a butterfly. A twitter user replied with a butterfly emoji and gamestop replied back.
I can't say i really follow the GameStop twitter page or pay much attention to their tweets.. I don't think they're trying to communicate to use through that lol
At that moment you’ll learn RC is actually an 8th level black belt and we get to watch him fold you into a pretzel for attacking him. (Not a hard pretzel, but not a soft pretzel either)
TiberiusWoodwind
At that moment you’ll learn RC is actually an 8th level black belt and we get to watch him fold you into a pretzel for attacking him. (Not a hard pretzel, but not a soft pretzel either)
This will be an interesting bit of drama for scc to watch unfold real time.
There's gonna be at least a little brigading and rabble rousing from this. It might just be a "remove and move on" situation or a "make a community post addressing it" situation depending on how this goes
Voting to boot on grounds of it likely being brigading and also there’s no explanation in the body of the post. GameStop tweets stuff all the time that get no posts or interest. Why does this one matter?
Is now a good time for me to duck out and work on another post? I'm sorry lol
TiberiusWoodwind
Voting to boot on grounds of it likely being brigading and also there’s no explanation in the body of the post. GameStop tweets stuff all the time that get no posts or interest. Why does this one matter?
Ugh lmao I don't want to touch this with a 100 foot poll. I just read through all of the comments, a few sane people but nothing worthwhile and just a lot of people playing dumb. imo should be nuked (maybe we should make a thread for this tho)
Dad goes out for milk, comes back with hookers. I’m eight years old again.
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ProgVirus
Ugh lmao I don't want to touch this with a 100 foot poll. I just read through all of the comments, a few sane people but nothing worthwhile and just a lot of people playing dumb. imo should be nuked (maybe we should make a thread for this tho)
Some days I really get pissed off at the GameStop social media group. It might have been a good idea to pick a thread, make a comment about it being the chosen one (like you do on RC tweets) and make removal notices about Mass Shared content.
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luma44
It's definitely not the first time RC/SMRT tweets have been a slap in the face
Part of the saga, it has so many tendrils not all of them will be on topic but still have that common GME link.
Rough_Willow
Some days I really get pissed off at the GameStop social media group. It might have been a good idea to pick a thread, make a comment about it being the chosen one (like you do on RC tweets) and make removal notices about Mass Shared content.
@luma44 Pardon my ignorance but do you guys have any Radmin receipts about staying "on topic" or similar? I'm having a hard time understanding where and why that line is drawn the way it is.
I've been a little spread thin so I haven't been able to do my normal research dive on it yet.
LastResortFriend
I haven't seen that one be all that popular out in the wild, it's mostly just talk of flat out suppression instead.
@luma44 Pardon my ignorance but do you guys have any Radmin receipts about staying "on topic" or similar? I'm having a hard time understanding where and why that line is drawn the way it is.
I've been a little spread thin so I haven't been able to do my normal research dive on it yet.
Shouldn't this be the main focus then? It just seems to me that would be a lot less FUD and emotions put on you guys and would be just as defensible from a top down perspective as this one already is.
LastResortFriend
Shouldn't this be the main focus then? It just seems to me that would be a lot less FUD and emotions put on you guys and would be just as defensible from a top down perspective as this one already is.
When Mass Shared threads start popping up, a comment needs to be left in the one being left up that the Mass Shared problem exists and explaining why the rest are being removed.
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Rough_Willow
When Mass Shared threads start popping up, a comment needs to be left in the one being left up that the Mass Shared problem exists and explaining why the rest are being removed.
If the Radmins have only ever cared about brigading then "keeping it in the sub" shows just as much due diligence and effort on your part to keep things civil as "keeping it on topic" in case of any adverse events right?
But "keeping it on topic" is getting you guys a lot of crap for suppression and all the stuff you're no doubt aware of for the same exact benefit.
Just saying it seems to me that "keeping it in the sub" has the same pros but not nearly the cons.
Sorry if I'm a bit repetitive or something, coffee still kicking in.
Rough_Willow
Which didn't happen here, which creates the impression that it's simply suppression taking place.
We've been discussing one, and you're right, it hasn't happened yet
LastResortFriend
If the Radmins have only ever cared about brigading then "keeping it in the sub" shows just as much due diligence and effort on your part to keep things civil as "keeping it on topic" in case of any adverse events right?
But "keeping it on topic" is getting you guys a lot of crap for suppression and all the stuff you're no doubt aware of for the same exact benefit.
Just saying it seems to me that "keeping it in the sub" has the same pros but not nearly the cons.
Sorry if I'm a bit repetitive or something, coffee still kicking in.
If the Radmins have only ever cared about brigading then "keeping it in the sub" shows just as much due diligence and effort on your part to keep things civil as "keeping it on topic" in case of any adverse events right?
But "keeping it on topic" is getting you guys a lot of crap for suppression and all the stuff you're no doubt aware of for the same exact benefit.
Just saying it seems to me that "keeping it in the sub" has the same pros but not nearly the cons.
Sorry if I'm a bit repetitive or something, coffee still kicking in.
I totally get that it's a grey area since we're talking GME-peripherals here, but I don't think the nature of the sub would need to be discussed, we already have plenty of market-peripherals for example that aren't linked to GME as a business or the stock itself directly.
There's no evidence, most people pushing it have ties to ppshow and are mostly bbby bagholders using their "gme shares" to brigade and make excuses.
They have no place here.
They either follow the subs rules or they can go away
Neither have I. Ive done my hardest to try and get SOMEONE to show me the correlation....there I none besides
"Well....RC = bbby and RC = GME. So therefore bbby= gme"
It's so annoying.
I get it...you folks lost a lot of money. It sucks. But stop acting like this facade is legitimate.
The lion dude HoustnWade had on, literally said he thinks RC should ditch Gamestop for BBBy because "history with chewy makes more sense for him to lead BBBY"
luma44
But it's my understanding that BBBYQ's holding company, the butterfly company, is really not GME-Peripheral. What's the connection to GME /gen?
Gotcha, and not meaning to make it feel like a debate. Not my intent /gen
2:26 PM
I think the answer is that if it's macroeconomics-related, or could cause a crash/recession, or affect MM collateral, then it could affect GME short positions. And if it's an unrelated company, you need to demonstrate the link
luma44
Gotcha, and not meaning to make it feel like a debate. Not my intent /gen
Yup. It's 100% that. They needed to reply something when directly @'d, and parroting back likely seemed the fasted, least effort possible to the minimum wage person behind the account that shift.
So unless some SEC forms drop that shake the world, do what you have been doing. You are going to be called sus no matter what on this subject. It's not GME related until it is.(edited)
Speaking for the other side here: I went from wsb to GME to Superstonk. My main position is GME, but I have popcorn, towel, bb, and a bunch of other stocks. The bbby group is filled with GME holders. People talk all the time about using bbby to fund GME. Everyone on superstonk is zen, but with things the way they are over at bbby it’s entertaining. Whether or not you think the stock is cancelled, the sub is like a young (albeit not as good) version of superstonk. I don’t think there’s anything nefarious going on. It’s actually ironic that they are constantly complaining about brigading just like we are, when the communities overlap. There had to be a way to make it work. Maybe reach out to their mod team? Re the question at hand: we said posts need to relate to GME. Like it or not, since GameStop posted a blue butterfly that is now related to GME. Ignore it and it will fade. Bbbq will either die or not by the end of the year. However, making a big deal out of a bunch of butterflies doesn’t really make sense to me.
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RedditMarq
Speaking for the other side here: I went from wsb to GME to Superstonk. My main position is GME, but I have popcorn, towel, bb, and a bunch of other stocks. The bbby group is filled with GME holders. People talk all the time about using bbby to fund GME. Everyone on superstonk is zen, but with things the way they are over at bbby it’s entertaining. Whether or not you think the stock is cancelled, the sub is like a young (albeit not as good) version of superstonk. I don’t think there’s anything nefarious going on. It’s actually ironic that they are constantly complaining about brigading just like we are, when the communities overlap. There had to be a way to make it work. Maybe reach out to their mod team? Re the question at hand: we said posts need to relate to GME. Like it or not, since GameStop posted a blue butterfly that is now related to GME. Ignore it and it will fade. Bbbq will either die or not by the end of the year. However, making a big deal out of a bunch of butterflies doesn’t really make sense to me.
Speaking for the other side here: I went from wsb to GME to Superstonk. My main position is GME, but I have popcorn, towel, bb, and a bunch of other stocks. The bbby group is filled with GME holders. People talk all the time about using bbby to fund GME. Everyone on superstonk is zen, but with things the way they are over at bbby it’s entertaining. Whether or not you think the stock is cancelled, the sub is like a young (albeit not as good) version of superstonk. I don’t think there’s anything nefarious going on. It’s actually ironic that they are constantly complaining about brigading just like we are, when the communities overlap. There had to be a way to make it work. Maybe reach out to their mod team? Re the question at hand: we said posts need to relate to GME. Like it or not, since GameStop posted a blue butterfly that is now related to GME. Ignore it and it will fade. Bbbq will either die or not by the end of the year. However, making a big deal out of a bunch of butterflies doesn’t really make sense to me.
And if people came from here to talk about GME, that would be dope. I don't care about the butterfly emoji stuff, actually. But some people are using this as an excuse to push BBBYQ
2:46 PM
That's the only reason I think we need to engage at all
2:46 PM
If people stuck to GME, then let them have their tin foil
2:46 PM
And if there are subs that support BBBYQ and GME, then awesome
2:46 PM
More the merrier in the tent
luma44
And if people came from here to talk about GME, that would be dope. I don't care about the butterfly emoji stuff, actually. But some people are using this as an excuse to push BBBYQ
Speaking for the other side here: I went from wsb to GME to Superstonk. My main position is GME, but I have popcorn, towel, bb, and a bunch of other stocks. The bbby group is filled with GME holders. People talk all the time about using bbby to fund GME. Everyone on superstonk is zen, but with things the way they are over at bbby it’s entertaining. Whether or not you think the stock is cancelled, the sub is like a young (albeit not as good) version of superstonk. I don’t think there’s anything nefarious going on. It’s actually ironic that they are constantly complaining about brigading just like we are, when the communities overlap. There had to be a way to make it work. Maybe reach out to their mod team? Re the question at hand: we said posts need to relate to GME. Like it or not, since GameStop posted a blue butterfly that is now related to GME. Ignore it and it will fade. Bbbq will either die or not by the end of the year. However, making a big deal out of a bunch of butterflies doesn’t really make sense to me.
It's a fair take. There's all different kinds of HODLrs on our sub. Like me for example, I bought into amc first cause gme was "too expensive" (FML) and then went full steam into GME. I bought into BBBY when rc did, made an epic aftermarket sale win when news dropped he sold and then scared myself into buying back in premarket when the tin foil on our own sub convinced me something bigger was brewing. It's my fault but that turned a 5 figure win into a 4k loss. That could have been gme money lol.
I say this to give you some personal context. That said since bbby is dead there's less to worry about now. Like I don't worry about bad actors or just idiots frankly derailing gme or convincing others to waste their ammo on a losing play. Today tho, what we have is a frankly toxic community. I'm also biased because most of them hate our mod team with a passion. I don't think there's much to salvage between the communities at this point. Users can engage in cross traffic all they want but the organizers of ppshow absolutely have bad intentions. They fucked a lot of people over, are grifting donations and wouldn't pee on our team if we were on fire.
DoomDouche
It's a fair take. There's all different kinds of HODLrs on our sub. Like me for example, I bought into amc first cause gme was "too expensive" (FML) and then went full steam into GME. I bought into BBBY when rc did, made an epic aftermarket sale win when news dropped he sold and then scared myself into buying back in premarket when the tin foil on our own sub convinced me something bigger was brewing. It's my fault but that turned a 5 figure win into a 4k loss. That could have been gme money lol.
I say this to give you some personal context. That said since bbby is dead there's less to worry about now. Like I don't worry about bad actors or just idiots frankly derailing gme or convincing others to waste their ammo on a losing play. Today tho, what we have is a frankly toxic community. I'm also biased because most of them hate our mod team with a passion. I don't think there's much to salvage between the communities at this point. Users can engage in cross traffic all they want but the organizers of ppshow absolutely have bad intentions. They fucked a lot of people over, are grifting donations and wouldn't pee on our team if we were on fire.
Hey Doom, glad to see you around! I Understand your POV regarding there not being much to salvage between communities, esp with the given community, but I think it's always worth trying to salvage things as the animosity between mod teams is never as bad as the communities opinions.
You would be surprised at the magic that can happen when you find someone who is able to help put the personal BS to the side and allow different parties to really hash out their differences.
If we can all manage to do that we can understand where our own arguments fall flat and find out what specific information we would need to convince others with differing opinions.
I get how dealing with extremists all day can be corrosive to the very soul however, we don't know each other personally but by all means please reach out if you ever need to talk or vent about any of it!(edited)
LastResortFriend
Hey Doom, glad to see you around! I Understand your POV regarding there not being much to salvage between communities, esp with the given community, but I think it's always worth trying to salvage things as the animosity between mod teams is never as bad as the communities opinions.
You would be surprised at the magic that can happen when you find someone who is able to help put the personal BS to the side and allow different parties to really hash out their differences.
If we can all manage to do that we can understand where our own arguments fall flat and find out what specific information we would need to convince others with differing opinions.
I get how dealing with extremists all day can be corrosive to the very soul however, we don't know each other personally but by all means please reach out if you ever need to talk or vent about any of it! (edited)
Speaking purely for myself and not as a representative of the mod team...
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3:04 PM
I think there's probably more chance for reconciliation and cooperation with the DRSyourGME people as there's a more obvious overlap of our investment preferences
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3:05 PM
But reconciliation and working together as RETAIL investors on the same side should always be the perspective
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luma44
I think there's probably more chance for reconciliation and cooperation with the DRSyourGME people as there's a more obvious overlap of our investment preferences
It's a fair take. There's all different kinds of HODLrs on our sub. Like me for example, I bought into amc first cause gme was "too expensive" (FML) and then went full steam into GME. I bought into BBBY when rc did, made an epic aftermarket sale win when news dropped he sold and then scared myself into buying back in premarket when the tin foil on our own sub convinced me something bigger was brewing. It's my fault but that turned a 5 figure win into a 4k loss. That could have been gme money lol.
I say this to give you some personal context. That said since bbby is dead there's less to worry about now. Like I don't worry about bad actors or just idiots frankly derailing gme or convincing others to waste their ammo on a losing play. Today tho, what we have is a frankly toxic community. I'm also biased because most of them hate our mod team with a passion. I don't think there's much to salvage between the communities at this point. Users can engage in cross traffic all they want but the organizers of ppshow absolutely have bad intentions. They fucked a lot of people over, are grifting donations and wouldn't pee on our team if we were on fire.
On your points of amc/bbby, how has indulging in the hype or tinfoil ended up being good for people? Whether it’s a gold mine, or an emoji, or an influencer who ignores all contradictory points what do people end up with? In a months time when that fad ends they get the next promise.
Entertaining these ridiculous narratives on the sub is no better than ppseeds just writing content people want to hear even if it means ignoring all evidence that says it’s bullshit.
Hey Doom, glad to see you around! I Understand your POV regarding there not being much to salvage between communities, esp with the given community, but I think it's always worth trying to salvage things as the animosity between mod teams is never as bad as the communities opinions.
You would be surprised at the magic that can happen when you find someone who is able to help put the personal BS to the side and allow different parties to really hash out their differences.
If we can all manage to do that we can understand where our own arguments fall flat and find out what specific information we would need to convince others with differing opinions.
I get how dealing with extremists all day can be corrosive to the very soul however, we don't know each other personally but by all means please reach out if you ever need to talk or vent about any of it! (edited)
I appreciate that, I really do. I'm definitely jaded tho. I used to be the guy on the team who would reach out with olive branch in tough situations.
Even acknowledging my bias I would say this particular situation is one of the worst I have seen when it comes to lack of good faith. The venomous hate platinum sparkles gets there is borderline criminal. The comments from u/ppseeds (their top mod) are especially bad.
There's a correlation here between drsyourgme and ppshow too. Their mods know the for lack of a better word "marketing value" of leaning into the SS mods are corrupt narrative. It's a rallying cry that excuses bad behavior.
I'm still all ears to hear the benefit extending an olive branch would even do at this point tho. I just have a hard time imagining the value.(edited)
This stuff bugs me so much on a personal level lol. I haven't made a dime or so much as a handshake from superstonk lol. Yet these guys get away with monetizing everything. Not that I want a dime, but the double standard is icky
DoomDouche
I appreciate that, I really do. I'm definitely jaded tho. I used to be the guy on the team who would reach out with olive branch in tough situations.
Even acknowledging my bias I would say this particular situation is one of the worst I have seen when it comes to lack of good faith. The venomous hate platinum sparkles gets there is borderline criminal. The comments from u/ppseeds (their top mod) are especially bad.
There's a correlation here between drsyourgme and ppshow too. Their mods know the for lack of a better word "marketing value" of leaning into the SS mods are corrupt narrative. It's a rallying cry that excuses bad behavior.
I'm still all ears to hear the benefit extending an olive branch would even do at this point tho. I just have a hard time imagining the value. (edited)
I can DM you screenshots of the DRS guys and the steward team they have for their server defending you guys. I would know because I am one of them, and Fluffy would also be able to tell you it's not the team itself running with that narrative from the times he's stepped in for a word.
Sure they question and disagree with a lot and say so as well, but they don't subscribe to any compromised theories. For that community specifically there's a lot of benefits to be gathered for both sides with reconciliation.
As for other communities, It's tougher for me to speak because I lack history with most other groups, if I ever had any real contact at all.
Anyways, I appreciate you guys and all that you've done and tried to do as well.(edited)
You know what. I agree. But on the condition we start adhering to rule 6 about backing up claims with sources.
Icahn coming to save you? Better have a source besides one single tweet.
start incorrectly interpreting a docket, see ya.
Yes, let’s see a convo that’s not supported with hype and bullshit
LastResortFriend
I can DM you screenshots of the DRS guys and the steward team they have for their server defending you guys. I would know because I am one of them, and Fluffy would also be able to tell you it's not the team itself running with that narrative from the times he's stepped in for a word.
Sure they question and disagree with a lot and say so as well, but they don't subscribe to any compromised theories. For that community specifically there's a lot of benefits to be gathered for both sides with reconciliation.
As for other communities, It's tougher for me to speak because I lack history with most other groups, if I ever had any real contact at all.
Anyways, I appreciate you guys and all that you've done and tried to do as well. (edited)
First off can't tell you how much I wish more people had an open mind and reasonable attitude like you. Especially the whole assuming best intentions vibe that's rolling off your comments. That said, respectfully I'm not looking to reopen a conversation about drsyourgme. I've got plenty of screenshots in my folder too. We can agree to disagree for now on that.
I was just responding to your thoughts in relation to ppshpw and drawing a specific correlation. If you are less familiar with them that's frankly a good thing lol. If that's the case tho I think we can agree on the principle of the benefit of mending bridges but in this instance I would purport there never was a bridge. Just opportunists who saw a wave they could ride and are riding it into the ground right now
TiberiusWoodwind
You know what. I agree. But on the condition we start adhering to rule 6 about backing up claims with sources.
Icahn coming to save you? Better have a source besides one single tweet.
start incorrectly interpreting a docket, see ya.
Yes, let’s see a convo that’s not supported with hype and bullshit
Lol we would be so hypocritical to do that. We have read so far into so much gme stuff in the past and honestly will probably always do that as a community.
Maybe there is a way of mentally segregating tin foil from other conversations but we would be the pot calling the kettle black if we took that approach. I know u are a data guy but a lot of the community has a blood tinfoil level above the legal limit
DoomDouche
Lol we would be so hypocritical to do that. We have read so far into so much gme stuff in the past and honestly will probably always do that as a community.
Maybe there is a way of mentally segregating tin foil from other conversations but we would be the pot calling the kettle black if we took that approach. I know u are a data guy but a lot of the community has a blood tinfoil level above the legal limit
The same people playing dumb in the comments are hating on Superstonk mods in another breath in their own sub
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4:17 PM
(I don't mean like "lol mods r sus" I mean like, hateful shit)
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DoomDouche
First off can't tell you how much I wish more people had an open mind and reasonable attitude like you. Especially the whole assuming best intentions vibe that's rolling off your comments. That said, respectfully I'm not looking to reopen a conversation about drsyourgme. I've got plenty of screenshots in my folder too. We can agree to disagree for now on that.
I was just responding to your thoughts in relation to ppshpw and drawing a specific correlation. If you are less familiar with them that's frankly a good thing lol. If that's the case tho I think we can agree on the principle of the benefit of mending bridges but in this instance I would purport there never was a bridge. Just opportunists who saw a wave they could ride and are riding it into the ground right now
I get it man, Here isn't exactly the time or place for that kind of conversation either. The open mind is hard fought, and boy oh boy is it tedious to maintain across the board, but dang it's worth it.
Outside of disagreeing with a few things though I really do give a crap about y'all as people and there hasn't been enough of that in this saga imo. Stay safe and maybe wish me luck, Walmart looms over my horizon today
4:18 PM
Also I'm going to have to adopt "blood tinfoil level" lmao
The personal attacks don't bother me so much. Part of the job. I'd happily take "mods r sus shit" all day long if it meant there was no misinformation. That's the problem for me. And it's even OK to be wrong about shit, but take accountability for it. Otherwise its just leading people astray. IMO(edited)
Of course. And none of them can actually explain themselves what’s going on. They all need you to watch some guys video explaining because they only half get it and are entirely trusting the same group of 6 people.
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TiberiusWoodwind
Of course. And none of them can actually explain themselves what’s going on. They all need you to watch some guys video explaining because they only half get it and are entirely trusting the same group of 6 people.
"You just have to watch this grifter's video to understand. It's $10, so totally worth it!"
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SPCΞMΞmbΞr593
Make a new sub called SuperStonkDD, restrict membership. DD writers submit to mod team for review. Those approved get posted to restricted sub (or read only sub with locked posts). All discussion happens in subsequent Mod approved posts (in SS) on said DD. Anything outside of it gets pulled. (edited)
I have been granted the sub r/superstonkdd . The former mod agreed to relinquish it. If you want it @Platinumsparkles@Lyrad (Crybad) just let me know. I'll invite you and step out leaving you guys top. @luma44 too..(edited)
I thought it was dead. It was not. Me grabbing its head to pull it back to where I could field dress it woke it up and it thrashed and kicked me. then it leaped 10 yards and actually died. Yeah, try to avoid that, less than optimal fun
I have been granted the sub r/superstonkdd . The former mod agreed to relinquish it. If you want it @Platinumsparkles@Lyrad (Crybad) just let me know. I'll invite you and step out leaving you guys top. @luma44 too.. (edited)
Thank you for this! We may as well sit on the name, but I have zero time to mod something else so if you want to invite us, we can figure something out later
I personally don't see it as a pass, but I do think it's an important look into what decisions are being made for the community and why. So much media narrative spin hinges on the truth being difficult to explain at length, while the spin can be wrapped into soundbites and single phrases. "Mods are suppressing the community" is an easy hot take that can be whipped together using any number of dumb divisive things like this. I thought the post was really well done in just stepping back from the noise for a minute, and even serves as a great example of what sort of ways division can be manufactured in a community.
Hosnovan
I personally don't see it as a pass, but I do think it's an important look into what decisions are being made for the community and why. So much media narrative spin hinges on the truth being difficult to explain at length, while the spin can be wrapped into soundbites and single phrases. "Mods are suppressing the community" is an easy hot take that can be whipped together using any number of dumb divisive things like this. I thought the post was really well done in just stepping back from the noise for a minute, and even serves as a great example of what sort of ways division can be manufactured in a community.
So for arguments sake, how is DJ’s latest post different in that it’s speculation with no firm proof it is GME related.
His tldr:
6:24 AM
6:25 AM
Honestly the post comes off condescending.
6:25 AM
Not jelly’s
6:25 AM
The SS sub grew with hype and speculation:tinfoil.
6:27 AM
It doesn’t matter, this butterfly issue will be over and something else will come up next. Goalposts moved, new hype dates.
The perception is the gatekeeping and topic selection is inconsistent and although this venue helps, you won’t please everyone anyway.
SPCΞMΞmbΞr593
The SS sub grew with hype and speculation:tinfoil.
It doesn’t matter, this butterfly issue will be over and something else will come up next. Goalposts moved, new hype dates.
The perception is the gatekeeping and topic selection is inconsistent and although this venue helps, you won’t please everyone anyway.
Totally understand and respect that. I think your feelings are going to be with the majority as well, but I personally appreciated the step back and look into the actual decision making process that was used for this. I think the more transparency that can be provided with things that appear to be gatekept, the more people can realize there aren't even gates. There are different places that are appropriate for different conversations.
whoa, that tlds I clipped didn't look that big on my phone. Sorry
Platinumsparkles
Thank you for this! We may as well sit on the name, but I have zero time to mod something else so if you want to invite us, we can figure something out later
What are peoples thoughts about doing what the sub did with HLT and letting a Bobby give their butterfly nonsense a post. They are crying that they all got banned so all they can do is be cryptic asshats. At this point I’d rather have their tinfoil open to our peer review process. Otherwise they are just going to keep crying victim.
It'll play out exactly like Heat Lamp, they'll send not the original poster to present it, dodge all questions so peer review is impossible, and cryptically tell people to look elsewhere.
There is a siege going on trying to bleed users to their own monetized worlds.
Ironically, usually step 2 in forming one of those sects that the media means when they say cult.
I am not a sub mod, I drink paint, and only a fool would trust my word for anything.
sandman11235
What are peoples thoughts about doing what the sub did with HLT and letting a Bobby give their butterfly nonsense a post. They are crying that they all got banned so all they can do is be cryptic asshats. At this point I’d rather have their tinfoil open to our peer review process. Otherwise they are just going to keep crying victim.
What are peoples thoughts about doing what the sub did with HLT and letting a Bobby give their butterfly nonsense a post. They are crying that they all got banned so all they can do is be cryptic asshats. At this point I’d rather have their tinfoil open to our peer review process. Otherwise they are just going to keep crying victim.
You need to understand one key factor about all these "Let me speak" posts
9:03 AM
SS has the numbers
9:03 AM
This is not the first time that some ppl tried to take advantage of said numbers.
9:04 AM
Grifters & far-out tinfoil should not get a platform in SS
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sandman11235
What are peoples thoughts about doing what the sub did with HLT and letting a Bobby give their butterfly nonsense a post. They are crying that they all got banned so all they can do is be cryptic asshats. At this point I’d rather have their tinfoil open to our peer review process. Otherwise they are just going to keep crying victim.
Here's my issue with that. SO much of the BBQ is 100% speculation. At least with HLT, it was somewhat based on hard data. Our issue with HLT was that 6days didn't post, didn't defend it, and blocked people who pointed out the flaws
9:11 AM
Now I'm not a hypocrite, so much of Superstonk's DD is speculation based, but MOST of our DD authors would learn, revise and resubmit with new data points
Lyrad (Crybad)
Here's my issue with that. SO much of the BBQ is 100% speculation. At least with HLT, it was somewhat based on hard data. Our issue with HLT was that 6days didn't post, didn't defend it, and blocked people who pointed out the flaws
I agree. But what gave HLT power was the narrative that it was being suppressed. When the sub offered the OP to post here and they refused that set up red flags. It also took time for the energy to dissipate. The Bobby stuff is hot garbage, but at this point no one can buy it. What I don’t want is a consensus crack. I get what you are saying though.
sandman11235
I agree. But what gave HLT power was the narrative that it was being suppressed. When the sub offered the OP to post here and they refused that set up red flags. It also took time for the energy to dissipate. The Bobby stuff is hot garbage, but at this point no one can buy it. What I don’t want is a consensus crack. I get what you are saying though.
It's not even that. 6days told both Goldie and I that he would post it on Superstonk, so we kept removing all the HLT posts that weren't posted by him (which led to the supression narrative)
9:18 AM
but that's water under the bridge
Lyrad (Crybad)
It's not even that. 6days told both Goldie and I that he would post it on Superstonk, so we kept removing all the HLT posts that weren't posted by him (which led to the supression narrative)
I’m just talking about how it looks from the outside. I agree we are under siege. It’s just that too many apes are not sophisticated investors and also paranoid. Maybe just ignore it all and let the emotions deflate. Honestly, I’m not sure.
sandman11235
I’m just talking about how it looks from the outside. I agree we are under siege. It’s just that too many apes are not sophisticated investors and also paranoid. Maybe just ignore it all and let the emotions deflate. Honestly, I’m not sure.
Weeks and weeks of boring shitty memes then weeks of just straight chaos. Rinse and repeat.(edited)
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9:36 AM
@Rough_Willow .... I'm looking for your input.
Lairian -Flairy Type-
It'll play out exactly like Heat Lamp, they'll send not the original poster to present it, dodge all questions so peer review is impossible, and cryptically tell people to look elsewhere.
There is a siege going on trying to bleed users to their own monetized worlds.
Ironically, usually step 2 in forming one of those sects that the media means when they say cult.
I am not a sub mod, I drink paint, and only a fool would trust my word for anything.
Yes. Or ads on their own forums/non-Reddit site.
How much you can make is going to be directly proportional to how many users you can get over to your platform.
Superchats on youtube, donations and ads on websites, patreon in other places.
This is something like Pickle 4.0?
Lyrad (Crybad)
Is there any good reason I shouldn't ban anyone who has never posted on Superstonk before last week and has been posting on the BBBY/PPshow subs
I'm mostly kidding. We call it screaming into the void.
Lairian -Flairy Type-
Yes. Or ads on their own forums/non-Reddit site.
How much you can make is going to be directly proportional to how many users you can get over to your platform.
Superchats on youtube, donations and ads on websites, patreon in other places.
This is something like Pickle 4.0?
I see, so using SS as a place to even get a small % of eyes has monetization all over it. That makes sense here to prevent. Shit, everything has to come down to that doesn't it.
I've been working on trying to figure out if any of them can post DD that's well sourced. I think they'll tire themselves out, but who knows just how much steam the grifter's stream will get.
I don’t think banning people will go over well, nor do I think letting this noise remain is a good idea. I’m for the idea of banning those who brigade, but this is going to get nuanced real quick if we end up going down that path
At this point I say wait the whole butterfly thing out. I'm of the tinfoil loving type and can go to their sub to get my fill. You guys will just have to face the music of the 'told ya so' if the foil was right if you blocked it here. Your call. You are all sus anyway so might as well lean in.
I see 0 good discussion. Of the few people I’ve interacted with, I see them playing dumb in the comments only to post on the PP sub some seriously hateful shit
Temp ban till 11/1 when this whole foil should have expired (unless the dates change and they always do)
ProgVirus
I see 0 good discussion. Of the few people I’ve interacted with, I see them playing dumb in the comments only to post on the PP sub some seriously hateful shit
Yes, if they’re putting on a persona/mask to hide on Superstonk, but elsewhere actively talking hate, talking about brigading the sub, etc. I think that should be taken into account at least in extreme cases of bad faith(edited)
I see 0 good discussion. Of the few people I’ve interacted with, I see them playing dumb in the comments only to post on the PP sub some seriously hateful shit
100% this.
@Lyrad (Crybad) it would need to be a case-by-case basis, but imo if they're actively posting on that ppsub and bbby(q), and their history is negative....then why have them?
Some of these people are no better than the meltdown crew.
They're angry their investment went south, they fucked up, and they made their bed.
It isn't SStonks fault.
It's theirs.
If they want to lash out and break rules, then that's on them.
They were adult enough to invest, they're adult enough to either control their emotions or deal with the consequences
SPCΞMΞmbΞr593
Temp ban till 11/1 when this whole foil should have expired (unless the dates change and they always do)
Difficult with the Rule 5 restrictions from admins
10:13 AM
"call outs" are banned
SPCΞMΞmbΞr593
At this point I say wait the whole butterfly thing out. I'm of the tinfoil loving type and can go to their sub to get my fill. You guys will just have to face the music of the 'told ya so' if the foil was right if you blocked it here. Your call. You are all sus anyway so might as well lean in.
That day never comes because people spinning the tinfoil always have some new date that matters. And they will swear to you that everyone will be amazed on that date. Then the date comes and they insist it’s crime that is stopping them, not that they were wrong. So then they pick a new date. 100 years from now there will be a guy pointing at RCs tombstone and saying that because it is facing East, and the sun rises in the east, and Sunday is the 20th, that at 20 o’clock Carl Icahn will arise as a lich to send them to the moon.
At some point in time, you need to ask if they’ve EVER been right
Well good thing the SCC Team can make posts that aren't considered under the "mods r sus" banner.
Not really to "call people out" but bring attention to the actions of these people
TiberiusWoodwind
That day never comes because people spinning the tinfoil always have some new date that matters. And they will swear to you that everyone will be amazed on that date. Then the date comes and they insist it’s crime that is stopping them, not that they were wrong. So then they pick a new date. 100 years from now there will be a guy pointing at RCs tombstone and saying that because it is facing East, and the sun rises in the east, and Sunday is the 20th, that at 20 o’clock Carl Icahn will arise as a lich to send them to the moon.
At some point in time, you need to ask if they’ve EVER been right
If I’m having a conversation with someone playing dumb, and they post something on PP showing their true colors, is it “calling out” as defined by the rules to say: “you stated x,y,z” elsewhere, care to clarify?(edited)
sandman11235
If I’m having a conversation with someone playing dumb, and they post something on PP showing their true colors, is it “calling out” as defined by the rules to say: “you stated x,y,z” elsewhere, care to clarify? (edited)
One thing I've found is these people HATE having their own words used against them
Caffeine & Ketamine
Well good thing the SCC Team can make posts that aren't considered under the "mods r sus" banner.
Not really to "call people out" but bring attention to the actions of these people
There were like 5 comment threads calling Tibbers a mod sock puppet immediately, so...not so sure.
sandman11235
If I’m having a conversation with someone playing dumb, and they post something on PP showing their true colors, is it “calling out” as defined by the rules to say: “you stated x,y,z” elsewhere, care to clarify? (edited)
Admins asked for "no negative call outs" so basically no singling out a user or sub and saying negative stuff. Just got to report them and walk away really.
Lairian -Flairy Type-
There were like 5 comment threads calling Tibbers a mod sock puppet immediately, so...not so sure.
I doubt much reporting will happen, given most the people in there are all defending their tinfoil butterfly nonsense.
Tiberius pulled a textbook honeytrap
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10:20 AM
It's glorious.
Imo we should log each of the issue comment profiles and keep tabs on them
Sorry Crybad, I have to ask you to take me off your list of smokin hot babes and put me on the list of sus fat basement dwellers instead, sorry to disappoint.
In this case, the importance is eyes that could fall prey to a grifter. These influencer groups don't seem to survive without new blood and that's what they're looking for here.
Rough_Willow
I'd love to see it too, but I emphatically ask for all the DD in hopes someone will give me something.
Not holding my breath. I replied to them asking them to just send it to you lol.
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Rough_Willow
In this case, the importance is eyes that could fall prey to a grifter. These influencer groups don't seem to survive without new blood and that's what they're looking for here.
Agree 100%. I mentioned this in another thread but this feels like them trying to find a safe landing zone for their platform once BBBY is officially 100000345982374983732984% gone.
11:08 AM
Which in their eyes might take years, idk anymore.
Hipz
Which in their eyes might take years, idk anymore.
Only until the bankruptcy case is over, there's really been nothing at all to even plant the idea it will take years besides the thought that other cases took that long, which this one is moving at the speed of light. It'll be over soon ™️ though.
I would just like to remind everyone that not everyone that posts in some of the other subs like theppshow are here as brigaders, many have been here all along and are just hyped up. Many know nothing about all the brigading going on when they post their butterflies or other BBBYQ related stuff, remember that they don't have the view that we do of what's going on in the sub. That's not to say that some aren't here with bad intentions - it's obvious that some are. Hitting those not doing it on purpose isn't a good thing for the community and does fuel the "mods are sus" fire, especially if it's more than just a removal of content that they get hit with.
Diznavis
I would just like to remind everyone that not everyone that posts in some of the other subs like theppshow are here as brigaders, many have been here all along and are just hyped up. Many know nothing about all the brigading going on when they post their butterflies or other BBBYQ related stuff, remember that they don't have the view that we do of what's going on in the sub. That's not to say that some aren't here with bad intentions - it's obvious that some are. Hitting those not doing it on purpose isn't a good thing for the community and does fuel the "mods are sus" fire, especially if it's more than just a removal of content that they get hit with.
When do the mods get t-shirts with "sus" on them. I think that will be required wearing if ever there is some sort of in person event someday.
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LastResortFriend
Only until the bankruptcy case is over, there's really been nothing at all to even plant the idea it will take years besides the thought that other cases took that long, which this one is moving at the speed of light. It'll be over soon ™️ though.
I would just like to remind everyone that not everyone that posts in some of the other subs like theppshow are here as brigaders, many have been here all along and are just hyped up. Many know nothing about all the brigading going on when they post their butterflies or other BBBYQ related stuff, remember that they don't have the view that we do of what's going on in the sub. That's not to say that some aren't here with bad intentions - it's obvious that some are. Hitting those not doing it on purpose isn't a good thing for the community and does fuel the "mods are sus" fire, especially if it's more than just a removal of content that they get hit with.
Absolutely. I know at least a dozen people that hold mostly GME but also are invested/interested in BBBY for a long time. Nothing wrong with that at all. I had shares at one point a year or so ago as well.(edited)
I'd like everyone's input on an idea I've posted in #suggestions
It's something I feel can address some issues I've been seeing arise when it comes to how people are reacting to the SCC ( many I've noticed don't even know we exist).
I think it's time for some SCC PR.
Any input is appreciated, I'd be more than happy to take the initiative on the weeklies.
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Caffeine & Ketamine
I'd like everyone's input on an idea I've posted in #suggestions
It's something I feel can address some issues I've been seeing arise when it comes to how people are reacting to the SCC ( many I've noticed don't even know we exist).
I think it's time for some SCC PR.
Any input is appreciated, I'd be more than happy to take the initiative on the weeklies.
Agree with you here. Someone asked me today when the SCC will discuss their experience so far and I didn't have an answer for them. Maybe we should think about a QnA or a sticky update post in the coming weeks?
Hipz
Agree with you here. Someone asked me today when the SCC will discuss their experience so far and I didn't have an answer for them. Maybe we should think about a QnA or a sticky update post in the coming weeks?
Maybe bringing in a new SCC member per week, along with the weekly post, where they can give me a synopsis of their experience?
Hipz
Agree with you here. Someone asked me today when the SCC will discuss their experience so far and I didn't have an answer for them. Maybe we should think about a QnA or a sticky update post in the coming weeks?
I do like the people calling me a fascist.
Like yeah, and anyone else could’ve volunteer. We took over the sub by way of…..volunteering to participate in discussions.
Caffeine & Ketamine
Maybe bringing in a new SCC member per week, along with the weekly post, where they can give me a synopsis of their experience?
I do like the people calling me a fascist.
Like yeah, and anyone else could’ve volunteer. We took over the sub by way of…..volunteering to participate in discussions.
I saw some of those today on your post, ridiculous comments tbh. I could tell most of them have no idea what the SCC is and they were making assumptions that werent true.
Caffeine & Ketamine
I'd like everyone's input on an idea I've posted in #suggestions
It's something I feel can address some issues I've been seeing arise when it comes to how people are reacting to the SCC ( many I've noticed don't even know we exist).
I think it's time for some SCC PR.
Any input is appreciated, I'd be more than happy to take the initiative on the weeklies.
I saw some of those today on your post, ridiculous comments tbh. I could tell most of them have no idea what the SCC is and they were making assumptions that werent true.
I love it. You tell people it was open to all volunteers and they still think it’s some oppressive regime. Like fuck man, sorry people don’t often care about local govt. anyone with strong feelings about content on the sub could’ve just said “I’m in”. Where were they then?
Only 30 people volunteered.
Is that an issue with the volunteers or an issue with the community not wanting to step up....I'd argue the latter.
Some people just want to complain
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TiberiusWoodwind
I love it. You tell people it was open to all volunteers and they still think it’s some oppressive regime. Like fuck man, sorry people don’t often care about local govt. anyone with strong feelings about content on the sub could’ve just said “I’m in”. Where were they then?
They want to complain, they dont want solutions lol
Caffeine & Ketamine
Only 30 people volunteered.
Is that an issue with the volunteers or an issue with the community not wanting to step up....I'd argue the latter.
Some people just want to complain
And god damnit, we have some bbby supporters here who care enough to want to be part of the discussion. Not like it was a secret.(edited)
Caffeine & Ketamine
Only 30 people volunteered.
Is that an issue with the volunteers or an issue with the community not wanting to step up....I'd argue the latter.
Some people just want to complain
We actually thought interest in the scc would be higher. Tibs comment on getting involved in government is spot on
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12:35 PM
We were making plans on how to choose 30 without it looking sus
12:35 PM
Then everyone got in
12:35 PM
I'm like, perfect, no way that can be sus
12:35 PM
I was wrong....again
TiberiusWoodwind
I love it. You tell people it was open to all volunteers and they still think it’s some oppressive regime. Like fuck man, sorry people don’t often care about local govt. anyone with strong feelings about content on the sub could’ve just said “I’m in”. Where were they then?
I wasn't sure what to expect, it seemed like it could have all been rigged when the SCC concept was initially laid out, one of the reasons I volunteered was to see if I would get accepted - if they accept me for it then it must not actually be rigged
I wasn't sure what to expect, it seemed like it could have all been rigged when the SCC concept was initially laid out, one of the reasons I volunteered was to see if I would get accepted - if they accept me for it then it must not actually be rigged
If you came in here and presented a strong thesis on RC still being involved, fuck man I’d listen to it. Same for Space or anyone else. I love reading well cited research.
But if this all boils down to a docket from months ago when every other docket theory has been busted, that ain’t strength
I agree with Lair here.
We should wait for the current drama to die down, filter out the bad actors who claim to "have been here since the beginning".
Although, the current group is solid. Although we do have some inactives here
I agree with Lair here.
We should wait for the current drama to die down, filter out the bad actors who claim to "have been here since the beginning".
Although, the current group is solid. Although we do have some inactives here
Good point about inactives. Man maybe congress really just is what we should expect out of govt. many reps are asleep and those awake just make people upset
I have a question. Ever make a comment that gets drug to the bottom of a thread independent of it being downvoted or a good conversation back & forth that gets collapsed or a comment that gets put into a queue to seemingly respond to something you didn’t intend? During periods of my participation here sometimes it feels like there is an invisible hand moving shit around and sometimes with seemingly negative intent. Over a year ago when I was more isolated and admittedly more paranoid I did have a “this place is sus” feeling. In my ignorance I attached these observations to mods. I think much of the mods r sus is bad actors trying to make this place inhospitable and burn out the people working hardest, but some of it may be the frustrated and paranoid.(edited)
I have a question. Ever make a comment that gets drug to the bottom of a thread independent of it being downvoted or a good conversation back & forth that gets collapsed or a comment that gets put into a queue to seemingly respond to something you didn’t intend? During periods of my participation here sometimes it feels like there is an invisible hand moving shit around and sometimes with seemingly negative intent. Over a year ago when I was more isolated and admittedly more paranoid I did have a “this place is sus” feeling. In my ignorance I attached these observations to mods. I think much of the mods r sus is bad actors trying to make this place inhospitable and burn out the people working hardest, but some of it may be the frustrated and paranoid. (edited)
I haven't seen that but I have seen upvote counts get halved suddenly so that second and third top comments can bury it slightly in a lot of subreddits.
FYI, I've reached one of my last straws with the ppshow kids. For anyone toxic and not here in good faith, going right to a 30day. @Rough_Willow , I know you're a huge proponent of taking smaller actions on first timers, but anyone blatantly here in bad faith is not worth dealing with again in 3 days.
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2:50 PM
This is for the more egregious violators only
Lyrad (Crybad)
FYI, I've reached one of my last straws with the ppshow kids. For anyone toxic and not here in good faith, going right to a 30day. @Rough_Willow , I know you're a huge proponent of taking smaller actions on first timers, but anyone blatantly here in bad faith is not worth dealing with again in 3 days.
@everyone - We are sending an email to the moderator team of r/ThePPShow. No doubt it will be leaked and subjected to ridicule. But it is what it is. We always take the high road (or try)
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3:08 PM
Want you to have awareness
3:08 PM
Urgent: Request for Civil and Respectful Discourse
Dear r/ThePPShow
The Superstonk team hopes this email finds you well. It has come to our attention that some discussions on your sub have taken an aggressive turn, leading to vicious personal attacks on a member of our team. No doubt you have awareness of these personal attacks.
While we as a community do not agree that BBBYQ is a viable investment, and that may put some of us at odds - we understand that there is shared DNA between our communities with many people holding GME as part of their portfolio.
The Superstonk Mod team firmly believes that such internet bullying behavior, which undermines the very essence of this community, is not conducive to our shared objectives. It doesn’t advance your community’s understanding of BBBYQ, and personal attacks certainly don’t refute any counter DD presented about your investment.
You’ll note that we are not permitting comments calling you “grifters” of your community and even providing supporting evidence. Why? Because we are staying in our GME lane, and personal attacks do nothing to advance understanding of our respective investments.
While we acknowledge the importance of freedom of expression and open discourse, we must also ensure that these discussions adhere to a code of conduct that respects the rights and dignity of every participant. It is our belief that much of the content in this post: https://reddit.com/r/ThePPShow/s/dCyYHHQZxw violates Reddit’s Moderator Code of Conduct, and we would encourage you to take action to protect your sub from Reddit’s discipline. It is our collective responsibility as community members to maintain this standard.
The Superstonk Mod team kindly requests that you, as a fellow participating team, actively participate in the moderation of discussions on your sub about Superstonk, it’s community, and its mod team. By doing so, we can collectively set a standard of professionalism, encourage constructive debate, and deter any future instances of inappropriate behavior. Your collaboration in this endeavor will send a strong message that we stand united in our commitment to maintaining a respectful and inclusive environment, despite the fact that our investments and investment strategies are not necessarily in total alignment.
We choose to believe in your team's commitment to professionalism and positive engagement, and we are confident that we can work together to rectify this situation.
Let us strive to maintain the high standards that we have set for our community. Your cooperation in this matter would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you for your immediate attention to this issue.
Sincerely,
Luma44 on behalf of the Superstonk Mod Team(edited)
Thanks for your feedback and thanks for your support SCC friends. We don’t do stuff like this often, usually we ignore it and move on, but every once and awhile people go too far.
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luma44
Urgent: Request for Civil and Respectful Discourse
Dear r/ThePPShow
The Superstonk team hopes this email finds you well. It has come to our attention that some discussions on your sub have taken an aggressive turn, leading to vicious personal attacks on a member of our team. No doubt you have awareness of these personal attacks.
While we as a community do not agree that BBBYQ is a viable investment, and that may put some of us at odds - we understand that there is shared DNA between our communities with many people holding GME as part of their portfolio.
The Superstonk Mod team firmly believes that such internet bullying behavior, which undermines the very essence of this community, is not conducive to our shared objectives. It doesn’t advance your community’s understanding of BBBYQ, and personal attacks certainly don’t refute any counter DD presented about your investment.
You’ll note that we are not permitting comments calling you “grifters” of your community and even providing supporting evidence. Why? Because we are staying in our GME lane, and personal attacks do nothing to advance understanding of our respective investments.
While we acknowledge the importance of freedom of expression and open discourse, we must also ensure that these discussions adhere to a code of conduct that respects the rights and dignity of every participant. It is our belief that much of the content in this post: https://reddit.com/r/ThePPShow/s/dCyYHHQZxw violates Reddit’s Moderator Code of Conduct, and we would encourage you to take action to protect your sub from Reddit’s discipline. It is our collective responsibility as community members to maintain this standard.
The Superstonk Mod team kindly requests that you, as a fellow participating team, actively participate in the moderation of discussions on your sub about Superstonk, it’s community, and its mod team. By doing so, we can collectively set a standard of professionalism, encourage constructive debate, and deter any future instances of inappropriate behavior. Your collaboration in this endeavor will send a strong message that we stand united in our commitment to maintaining a respectful and inclusive environment, despite the fact that our investments and investment strategies are not necessarily in total alignment.
We choose to believe in your team's commitment to professionalism and positive engagement, and we are confident that we can work together to rectify this situation.
Let us strive to maintain the high standards that we have set for our community. Your cooperation in this matter would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you for your immediate attention to this issue.
Sincerely,
Luma44 on behalf of the Superstonk Mod Team (edited)
This is good, but I don't apologize for calling a spade a spade, a grift a grift tbh. I calls it likes I sees it and I sees: begging for money, trips to SpaceX, insane and baseless theories, loss of naïve household investors' money
3:35 PM
Personal enrichment on the backs of household investors looking for a leg up. Pathetic frankly.
I guess Oct 20 is some kind of deadline for these numbskulls and I can't wait for it to come and go so they can move on through the rest of the steps of the grieving process, cause anger and denial are getting old
Hipz
Thanks for your feedback and thanks for your support SCC friends. We don’t do stuff like this often, usually we ignore it and move on, but every once and awhile people go too far.
I guess Oct 20 is some kind of deadline for these numbskulls and I can't wait for it to come and go so they can move on through the rest of the steps of the grieving process, cause anger and denial are getting old
Urgent: Request for Civil and Respectful Discourse
Dear r/ThePPShow
The Superstonk team hopes this email finds you well. It has come to our attention that some discussions on your sub have taken an aggressive turn, leading to vicious personal attacks on a member of our team. No doubt you have awareness of these personal attacks.
While we as a community do not agree that BBBYQ is a viable investment, and that may put some of us at odds - we understand that there is shared DNA between our communities with many people holding GME as part of their portfolio.
The Superstonk Mod team firmly believes that such internet bullying behavior, which undermines the very essence of this community, is not conducive to our shared objectives. It doesn’t advance your community’s understanding of BBBYQ, and personal attacks certainly don’t refute any counter DD presented about your investment.
You’ll note that we are not permitting comments calling you “grifters” of your community and even providing supporting evidence. Why? Because we are staying in our GME lane, and personal attacks do nothing to advance understanding of our respective investments.
While we acknowledge the importance of freedom of expression and open discourse, we must also ensure that these discussions adhere to a code of conduct that respects the rights and dignity of every participant. It is our belief that much of the content in this post: https://reddit.com/r/ThePPShow/s/dCyYHHQZxw violates Reddit’s Moderator Code of Conduct, and we would encourage you to take action to protect your sub from Reddit’s discipline. It is our collective responsibility as community members to maintain this standard.
The Superstonk Mod team kindly requests that you, as a fellow participating team, actively participate in the moderation of discussions on your sub about Superstonk, it’s community, and its mod team. By doing so, we can collectively set a standard of professionalism, encourage constructive debate, and deter any future instances of inappropriate behavior. Your collaboration in this endeavor will send a strong message that we stand united in our commitment to maintaining a respectful and inclusive environment, despite the fact that our investments and investment strategies are not necessarily in total alignment.
We choose to believe in your team's commitment to professionalism and positive engagement, and we are confident that we can work together to rectify this situation.
Let us strive to maintain the high standards that we have set for our community. Your cooperation in this matter would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you for your immediate attention to this issue.
Sincerely,
Luma44 on behalf of the Superstonk Mod Team (edited)
There's got to be an escalation of communication... but it's hard to demand civility if I can't simultaneously demonstrate it. Oh, to be a non-mod alt...
Going to share the response here with the following caveat - this is mod to mod discussion. I don't agree with how things have been characterized here... but rather than continue an escalation of arguments and detailed back and forth, we're just going to leave this here for now.
Please don't leak this as I don't see value in how it will bring a deescalation of tensions.
Listen, we just wanted to keep y'all abreast of this communication in case it somehow leaked from their side -- you'd know it was legit and the thought process behind why it was sent
5:22 PM
Every minute we spend on BBBYQ and this sub is time we're not spending on ours and on GME
I really encourage everybody to just go to their corners and let it chill.
5:23 PM
In b4 the SMRT team tweets: "you'll need a towel to sop up all the spooge when you see this."
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luma44
Listen, we just wanted to keep y'all abreast of this communication in case it somehow leaked from their side -- you'd know it was legit and the thought process behind why it was sent
Hey Lair, I love it. Obviously, you need buy in from the SCC. If the Reddit mods get tags there, please let me know. I admit it's a blind spot for many of us(edited)
That response is clearly in bad faith to me. I agree this needs to settle down for a little while, but when it does would be the perfect opportunity to make some changes to deal with situations such as these in the future. Even if it's just an action plan/framework to document so we can present our case clearly would help (vs. a heavier moderation hand, etc.) but I think something needs to change(edited)
See this is the issue, Plat went and made very clear rebuttals on why their DD is inaccurate. Their response has been to attack and belittle her. Claiming that she is "shitting" on their community when what they are looking for is for people to stop correcting them on mistakes in their work.
TiberiusWoodwind
See this is the issue, Plat went and made very clear rebuttals on why their DD is inaccurate. Their response has been to attack and belittle her. Claiming that she is "shitting" on their community when what they are looking for is for people to stop correcting them on mistakes in their work.
Yes, you need to do that space with them and carry this cadence while talking. It will create such a disturbance in their sub that it would be spoken for ages to come.
6:05 PM
While saying you are PS
6:05 PM
Yes. this must happen.
6:05 PM
Maybe have an out of control barking dog in the background.
It's amazing, the complete night and day differences between the initial message and their response....
The first was a well articulated and meaningful message...the second was a knee jerked "yeah well you're bad and like...don't express opinions outside of your sub okay?".
It's amazing, the complete night and day differences between the initial message and their response....
The first was a well articulated and meaningful message...the second was a knee jerked "yeah well you're bad and like...don't express opinions outside of your sub okay?".
It's amazing, the complete night and day differences between the initial message and their response....
The first was a well articulated and meaningful message...the second was a knee jerked "yeah well you're bad and like...don't express opinions outside of your sub okay?".
He posted something this morning that had to do with butterflies and wasn't aware of the towel connection. I believe it as he hasn't ever posted on the other subs.
But you’ll be in Scotland before he… always best sir.
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Rough_Willow
He posted something this morning that had to do with butterflies and wasn't aware of the towel connection. I believe it as he hasn't ever posted on the other subs.
Oooo I get both of you.
Is it my birthday?
Rough draft of the post I'm making in conjunction with the opening of the Transparency request channel.
Wanted to make sure yall approve it, before I post
8:44 PM
Not that I need your approval. You're not my real Dads.(edited)
I appreciate that, truly.
Honestly I knew what I was getting into, rough seas ahead and all. Healthy skepticism is fine, I ignore the disingenuous ones.
A place for THEORTICAL discussions about business and stocks - specifically GameStop Stock ($GME). Opinions and memes welcome. None of this is financial advice.
This isn't a sub strictly for fundamentals and TA now is it? It also includes businesses and stocks in a general sense. While i get the distaste because of towel, something like this should not have gotten pulled I don't think anyways.
Iunno not tryna argue but this is just weird
Caffeine & Ketamine
This sounds like a job for #deleted-channel
Lol
Jk
But really that's interesting.
Maybe because it's not directly gme related, ♂️♂️
A place for THEORTICAL discussions about business and stocks - specifically GameStop Stock ($GME). Opinions and memes welcome. None of this is financial advice.
This isn't a sub strictly for fundamentals and TA now is it? It also includes businesses and stocks in a general sense. While i get the distaste because of towel, something like this should not have gotten pulled I don't think anyways.
Iunno not tryna argue but this is just weird
I dunno i don't know much about SWAPs and the basket theory and all that jazz
The OP seems like a real wrinkle tho, maybe try asking him in the thread?
Dude, I’m so fucking sick and tired of hearing basket theory as the rationale for mentioning other tickers. The guy who wrote that post has enough wrinkles to sort of work out how it could function. But 95% of folks have zero clue how any of it would or could function or if it even makes any sense to just say basket.
Dude, I’m so fucking sick and tired of hearing basket theory as the rationale for mentioning other tickers. The guy who wrote that post has enough wrinkles to sort of work out how it could function. But 95% of folks have zero clue how any of it would or could function or if it even makes any sense to just say basket.
oh me.. I don't know much about it sorry.
I just like seeing glitches I guess and this to me was interesting.
7:10 AM
and sorry I mean karlhungus42
7:10 AM
I encourage trade discussions, I don't encourage hype cross posts. It's just very interesting that I picked this up on the corner of my eye last evening while talking with some friends. Especially after a week of battered oversold RSI with GME with no news. Suddenly when they are looking for trading technical support this week, all the baskets go up.
The only news I heard that was interesting was from last week was the jobs report in the US was absolutely shocking considering the high rise of price and how many corporations cut positions (perhaps backfill with cheaper salaries?).
Too much speculation, but much room for just discussion.
You have every right to look anywhere you choose to and I encourage critical thinking, but not to dive all over. This however is nothing to scoff at considering the opacity of the Expert Market that launched last year. We can learn what happens to companies that turn into pink sheet trading.
The post was pulled because we had too many posts about it and it's not GME. The one in hot being hit was collateral more or less.
To be honest it should probably be pulled and replaced by a post that has far more detail and explains why this ticker has any relevance to GME. But we don't live in a perfect world and removing it without that other post already existing is only going to cause confusion and unrest (I love grey moderating /s)
Aaaaaanyway it's approved and back up. Taking questions if any exist
FluffyTrex
The post was pulled because we had too many posts about it and it's not GME. The one in hot being hit was collateral more or less.
To be honest it should probably be pulled and replaced by a post that has far more detail and explains why this ticker has any relevance to GME. But we don't live in a perfect world and removing it without that other post already existing is only going to cause confusion and unrest (I love grey moderating /s)
Aaaaaanyway it's approved and back up. Taking questions if any exist
Would pinning a comment explaining that in the subreddit be a good idea? For transparencies sake or something
FluffyTrex
The post was pulled because we had too many posts about it and it's not GME. The one in hot being hit was collateral more or less.
To be honest it should probably be pulled and replaced by a post that has far more detail and explains why this ticker has any relevance to GME. But we don't live in a perfect world and removing it without that other post already existing is only going to cause confusion and unrest (I love grey moderating /s)
Aaaaaanyway it's approved and back up. Taking questions if any exist
It was a simple case of see ticker, ticker is not GME, mod smash. I really do think that we need to have a definitive community update about the circumstances in which any non-gme ticker get uttered.
The post was pulled because we had too many posts about it and it's not GME. The one in hot being hit was collateral more or less.
To be honest it should probably be pulled and replaced by a post that has far more detail and explains why this ticker has any relevance to GME. But we don't live in a perfect world and removing it without that other post already existing is only going to cause confusion and unrest (I love grey moderating /s)
Aaaaaanyway it's approved and back up. Taking questions if any exist
Sears moved on what? Was it some tiny volume like 180? Even if you owned many thousands of shares of it it doesn’t look like there was anyone to sell it to.
TiberiusWoodwind
Sears moved on what? Was it some tiny volume like 180? Even if you owned many thousands of shares of it it doesn’t look like there was anyone to sell it to.
I undestand the collateral argument for its relevance, There's a case for it at least(edited)
luma44
It was a simple case of see ticker, ticker is not GME, mod smash. I really do think that we need to have a definitive community update about the circumstances in which any non-gme ticker get uttered.
But luma. That would involve looking up reported long positions, doing that math on how much a move like that would effect their total long position, and diving into whether delisted stocks even meet the requirement to be used as collateral. And that’s no where near as easy as screencap and a ? For a title
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7:21 AM
So on one hand we have posts discussing how haircuts mean only AAA bonds can be used as collateral and on the other hand we have posts asking if a delisted stock can be used as collateral
7:22 AM
And all of that mixed with posts wondering if banks just constantly crime and if so why do they bother caring about collateral anyway
@Lairian -Flairy Type- let me know when you open up the channel, I'll make the post.
@Lyrad (Crybad) several other scc are on board.
Operation Translucent is a go
I'm leaning towards leniency on the Sears post. Zombie stocks has always had a place on Superstonk and part of the reason there was movement (I think) is because the lawsuits for Sears are completed and it is now going the same way as BBBY and getting removed completely
If you guys keep killing these types of posts you are only just making people bored or confirming their suspicions that things are just suppressed overall. So what it if it does not have a specific GME tie that anyone can point at. Cohen tweeted a backhoe pulling down a Sears sign, close enough for me.
It sparks conversation about overall market activities that look like bullshit and for those of us without a PHD in market making or how it all overall works--we like to try to see the conversation and use our brains to decide.
Killing something that is running hours after the fact makes it look even more sus.
7:54 AM
You want the sub to wither with your adamant 'not gme related' wall... ok.
I think the onus on OPs to at least try to make the post relevant back to GME is all a lot of us are asking for
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SPCΞMΞmbΞr593
If you guys keep killing these types of posts you are only just making people bored or confirming their suspicions that things are just suppressed overall. So what it if it does not have a specific GME tie that anyone can point at. Cohen tweeted a backhoe pulling down a Sears sign, close enough for me.
It sparks conversation about overall market activities that look like bullshit and for those of us without a PHD in market making or how it all overall works--we like to try to see the conversation and use our brains to decide.
Killing something that is running hours after the fact makes it look even more sus.
That's like saying, going to the Honda sub, posting about how great Toyota is, then claiming there's suppression of ideas because they're both vehicle manufacturers.
It'd a GME sub.
...bit of a ridiculous statement tbh.
Requesting people who are pushing other tickers, show how their posts tie back to GME, is not killing the sub.
And imo your attachment to BbbY is killing your perception of what is and hasn't ever been acceptable within SStonk
Hey now I’m as smooth as they come Tibs tried to explain options to me and my brain leaked out my ear
All I’m saying is the sub is legit for GME and asking OPs for a few words to even loosely connect ideas back to GME shouldn’t be seen as some big blockade. It weeds out the low effort stuff and spammers pushing other tickers/crypto
I did. But I'd rather allow the post and remove it again after discussion.
ProgVirus
Hey now I’m as smooth as they come Tibs tried to explain options to me and my brain leaked out my ear
All I’m saying is the sub is legit for GME and asking OPs for a few words to even loosely connect ideas back to GME shouldn’t be seen as some big blockade. It weeds out the low effort stuff and spammers pushing other tickers/crypto
2 reasons mainly.
1) It was nighttime, we have poor mod coverage at night.
2) there were lots of Sears posts and we only wanted to keep one
8:03 AM
we discussed it, and reinstated the main one
Caffeine & Ketamine
...bit of a ridiculous statement tbh.
Requesting people who are pushing other tickers, show how their posts tie back to GME, is not killing the sub.
And imo your attachment to BbbY is killing your perception of what is and hasn't ever been acceptable within SStonk
I'm not attached to bobby. I find the hard push on that interesting though. I said ban it till 11/1 when it should be over so there is no love from me.
The users (and inaction of the mods) are the cause of whatever consequences come to be. Abiding by the rules is how the entire site maintains any level of neutrality.
I'm at work give me a few mins to review and reply
Rough_Willow
The users (and inaction of the mods) are the cause of whatever consequences come to be. Abiding by the rules is how the entire site maintains any level of neutrality.
agreed. But there's the truth and the spin room. If we documented all the ways the PPshow were breaking the MCoC, and it got out. It would easily be painted into a "superstonk mods are afraid of XXX and are shutting other subs down"
8:15 AM
so despite the fact we are just trying to have them play by the rules, we look like the assholes
Lyrad (Crybad)
It's an interesting rope to walk. I do not want to be the cause of the destruction of another sub. Id like to hope that level heads would prevail.
I still think that will be done by end of the month. I guess wait it out.
8:19 AM
Ok, at a quick glance between never ending emails and phone calls inbound on me... so the guy posts it on SS, then posts it on PP. Is that a problem simply because they did? They refernece in the title that it was posted on there... actually was it the same guy or a second guy mentioning they saw it there?
If there's one thing i learned @SPCΞMΞmbΞr593 , is that the goalposts are always moved when there is nothing left to lose.
SPCΞMΞmbΞr593
Ok, at a quick glance between never ending emails and phone calls inbound on me... so the guy posts it on SS, then posts it on PP. Is that a problem simply because they did? They refernece in the title that it was posted on there... actually was it the same guy or a second guy mentioning they saw it there?
Second guy mentions they saw it there it looks like.
Lyrad (Crybad)
agreed. But there's the truth and the spin room. If we documented all the ways the PPshow were breaking the MCoC, and it got out. It would easily be painted into a "superstonk mods are afraid of XXX and are shutting other subs down"
OK, so you have a hard 'nothing but GME', but you still let stuff up that is not GME related.
I guess go full filter then or you have to clarify here and there why some are ok or some are not...or don't and let the suppression claims continue.
I don't know what the answer is. Being inconsistent is not it. But you are going to need to kill Starfish, and a bunch of other stuff that made the sub fun. I get it, some of you are not into fun and give off that you are pissed off at the mention of some stocks in particular.
I don't know what to tell you. I like a sprinkle of hype, tinfoil, memes and shitposts. But no-one is getting paid for this, and perhaps we are all a little tired of the journey here.
Modding clearly sucks. I'll give you guys credit for hanging in as long as you have. Thank you for your service.(edited)
8:27 AM
Fucking spell check
8:27 AM
I hate you spell check. I truly hate you.
SPCΞMΞmbΞr593
OK, so you have a hard 'nothing but GME', but you still let stuff up that is not GME related.
I guess go full filter then or you have to clarify here and there why some are ok or some are not...or don't and let the suppression claims continue.
I don't know what the answer is. Being inconsistent is not it. But you are going to need to kill Starfish, and a bunch of other stuff that made the sub fun. I get it, some of you are not into fun and give off that you are pissed off at the mention of some stocks in particular.
I don't know what to tell you. I like a sprinkle of hype, tinfoil, memes and shitposts. But no-one is getting paid for this, and perhaps we are all a little tired of the journey here.
Modding clearly sucks. I'll give you guys credit for hanging in as long as you have. Thank you for your service. (edited)
"OK, so you have a hard 'nothing but GME', but you still let stuff up that is not GME related."
That's not exactly true. For example, see the MacroEcon tag.
So, there were multiple reasons why I think it may have been appropriate and related. I've previously stated that there was an RC tweet in '21 that referenced Sears. Another DD included it as a topic, but that also was a while ago. There also have been discussions on how these assets might be used as collateral (but that one doesn't make much sense to me). However, the point of how it was related wasn't included in the post but enough users seem to understand a connection.
I think it’s less “nothing but GME” and more “GME-centric”, you’re right that it’s a fine line to walk
Like, comparing Sears and BBBY, up until very recently people could still buy BBBY and it was being pushed hard that it was a good idea to invest in a bankrupt company. And we were/are being brigaded by folks who aren’t interested in rationale discussion. For Sears, it’s more of a case study to learn from and investigate at this point. BBBY will be the same in a year, I surely hope
Rough_Willow
"OK, so you have a hard 'nothing but GME', but you still let stuff up that is not GME related."
That's not exactly true. For example, see the MacroEcon tag.
Not only this, but people who DO have their posts kept up , are able to directly tie their posts back to GME...
8:37 AM
When you're just posting about towel, to post about towel, that's not GME related
Rough_Willow
So, there were multiple reasons why I think it may have been appropriate and related. I've previously stated that there was an RC tweet in '21 that referenced Sears. Another DD included it as a topic, but that also was a while ago. There also have been discussions on how these assets might be used as collateral (but that one doesn't make much sense to me). However, the point of how it was related wasn't included in the post but enough users seem to understand a connection.
Yes, if OP posts, goes to sleep and didn't reply to a mod request to relate it to GME, then you got what you got.
A 1.6k upvoted and running post that I honestly felt was connected to GME, although I don't have the ability to intelligently express or explain it to satisfy the level some of you require.
So mods are sus and thats the vibe.
Caffeine & Ketamine
Not only this, but people who DO have their posts kept up , are able to directly tie their posts back to GME...
Yes, if OP posts, goes to sleep and didn't reply to a mod request to relate it to GME, then you got what you got.
A 1.6k upvoted and running post that I honestly felt was connected to GME, although I don't have the ability to intelligently express or explain it to satisfy the level some of you require.
So mods are sus and thats the vibe.
So, we both recognize that the relation should be explained so that all can understand, but you're asking what happens when people are unable to articulate what that connection is?
Rough_Willow
So, we both recognize that the relation should be explained so that all can understand, but you're asking what happens when people are unable to articulate what that connection is?
A message which cannot be communicated isn't a message that's likely to be well received. Given the speed at which posts gain traction, what do you think is an appropriate timeframe prior to receiving a cohesive explaination on how it relates?
tbh even if OP added “I think this relates to GME because it was also a cellar boxed company but I’m not sure the specifics, hoping to discuss”
That would make a world of difference in my books
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8:47 AM
It’s OK to not know something, and some folks might not speak English as their primary language making it difficult to communicate
It’s all about how you show your intentions with the post. More often than not when we see these off-topic/other ticker posts, it comes from a place of bad faith, pushing crypto, pushing other tickers, etc.(edited)
Rough_Willow
A message which cannot be communicated isn't a message that's likely to be well received. Given the speed at which posts gain traction, what do you think is an appropriate timeframe prior to receiving a cohesive explaination on how it relates?
It highlights just how important the correct tag is to being able to communicate an idea.
ProgVirus
tbh even if OP added “I think this relates to GME because it was also a cellar boxed company but I’m not sure the specifics, hoping to discuss”
That would make a world of difference in my books
Yes this. And I get it, there are bad actors that post with ulterior motives. But if the mole is killed on first try you will have fewer and fewer people that will even want to try.
Anothing thing to keep in mind, espically with posts like this about Sears. For newer apes, the connection might not be made immediately because they joined after RC's tweet or the Zombie stocks DD.
8:50 AM
The Sears tweet was what? Summer of 21?
8:51 AM
So some of the things the OG apes recognize by sight, might need to be spelled out for new people
Lyrad (Crybad)
So some of the things the OG apes recognize by sight, might need to be spelled out for new people
It can go either way. It SHOULD be on the OP, but I think a top comment explaining the situation would work as well
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8:52 AM
But even the mods disagree on if the onus should solely be on the OP
8:53 AM
There has been a lot of good theories and DD throughout the years that stemmed from OP's posting "Hey, i found this but don't fully understand what it means, can I get some eyes on this"
8:54 AM
The difference is context I suppose (anothe gray area).
Caffeine & Ketamine
But nevertheless. It's nice knowing that kind of % is possible lol
I mean if you posting just an image the only way to really further explain what it is, is in the comments...
I also don't think the requirements to tieing it should be that strict. Even loose possible threads should be pulled on.. like this weird Sears Glitch. It's why I was against pulling it..
8:54 AM
by pulling it i mean removing the post.. probably could've used a less confusing word there
8:57 AM
I guess that's not true nevermind me.. a picture can say a 1000 words
SPCΞMΞmbΞr593
If you guys keep killing these types of posts you are only just making people bored or confirming their suspicions that things are just suppressed overall. So what it if it does not have a specific GME tie that anyone can point at. Cohen tweeted a backhoe pulling down a Sears sign, close enough for me.
It sparks conversation about overall market activities that look like bullshit and for those of us without a PHD in market making or how it all overall works--we like to try to see the conversation and use our brains to decide.
Killing something that is running hours after the fact makes it look even more sus.
I’m catching up on this but I haven’t seen suppression of well cited and explained research. I’ve seen posts get ditched where OPs don’t put in the leg work of actually explaining their thought process or showing evidence. We could come up with a million guesses why the price of a zombie stock could move. Crime, fat fingered, computer glitch, legit trade, need collateral, broader market movements, etc. but until folks start piecing together actual evidence and not regurgitating buzz words it’s all just babbling that goes no where. And the sub has driven off some deep wrinkles because there are folks who are capable of that research that don’t feel like spending all day trying to explain their point to someone who wants to debate data they don’t understand.
But I agree with you that the lack of consistency is problematic and I want to reiterate that it’s why I’ve tried to encourage us raising standards (or setting them) for post requirements. Pointing at sears and saying “wut mean” isn’t enough to warrant a post on SS. It’s a conversation going no where. But a post that looks at sears and maybe other zombie mall stocks and relating them to times GME moved, that makes a connection. If we want consistency we need to stop fostering lazy writing because then it puts the onus on mods/SCC to decide if a post is relevant to GME. That responsibility should be on the author of the post to be clear.
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TiberiusWoodwind
I’m catching up on this but I haven’t seen suppression of well cited and explained research. I’ve seen posts get ditched where OPs don’t put in the leg work of actually explaining their thought process or showing evidence. We could come up with a million guesses why the price of a zombie stock could move. Crime, fat fingered, computer glitch, legit trade, need collateral, broader market movements, etc. but until folks start piecing together actual evidence and not regurgitating buzz words it’s all just babbling that goes no where. And the sub has driven off some deep wrinkles because there are folks who are capable of that research that don’t feel like spending all day trying to explain their point to someone who wants to debate data they don’t understand.
But I agree with you that the lack of consistency is problematic and I want to reiterate that it’s why I’ve tried to encourage us raising standards (or setting them) for post requirements. Pointing at sears and saying “wut mean” isn’t enough to warrant a post on SS. It’s a conversation going no where. But a post that looks at sears and maybe other zombie mall stocks and relating them to times GME moved, that makes a connection. If we want consistency we need to stop fostering lazy writing because then it puts the onus on mods/SCC to decide if a post is relevant to GME. That responsibility should be on the author of the post to be clear.
This has been my experience with nearly all the basket/zombie stock discussion for at least the last year or so. People like to point to it when anything moves up or down, but I've rarely seen any decent explanation of how its related or anyone having a real understanding of what a basket swap/zombie stock is. If they put the effort in to explain why its related that's an entirely different conversation. The only reason Sears is even remotely part of the discussion with GME is one Tweet for RC that was what, over a year ago? I think people need to be realistic and accept that Tweets from him or Gamestop are not sending some cryptic secret message urging investors to do.... anything. Is it fun? Absolutely, I love me some tinfoil. At the end of the day I can't even think of one example of a Tweet having a secret meaning and it being true. These folks need to make more empiracle and concrete explanations of how its GME related IMO.
TiberiusWoodwind
I’m catching up on this but I haven’t seen suppression of well cited and explained research. I’ve seen posts get ditched where OPs don’t put in the leg work of actually explaining their thought process or showing evidence. We could come up with a million guesses why the price of a zombie stock could move. Crime, fat fingered, computer glitch, legit trade, need collateral, broader market movements, etc. but until folks start piecing together actual evidence and not regurgitating buzz words it’s all just babbling that goes no where. And the sub has driven off some deep wrinkles because there are folks who are capable of that research that don’t feel like spending all day trying to explain their point to someone who wants to debate data they don’t understand.
But I agree with you that the lack of consistency is problematic and I want to reiterate that it’s why I’ve tried to encourage us raising standards (or setting them) for post requirements. Pointing at sears and saying “wut mean” isn’t enough to warrant a post on SS. It’s a conversation going no where. But a post that looks at sears and maybe other zombie mall stocks and relating them to times GME moved, that makes a connection. If we want consistency we need to stop fostering lazy writing because then it puts the onus on mods/SCC to decide if a post is relevant to GME. That responsibility should be on the author of the post to be clear.
I dont think hes asking for high level analysis all the time, just some level of explanation of why it relates to GME. Just pointing at Sears stock going up and saying basket stock isn't enough IMO.
10:15 AM
The entire basket stock theory is extremely difficult to prove until we get swap / derivates data and that's not possible till 2025 and god knows they'll extend it.
Nope.
Honored his request after some DMs. It hurt and really sucks.
Just a 1d ban though, so more of a kick.
I feel awful and might just go dark for a bit.
Lairian -Flairy Type-
Nope.
Honored his request after some DMs. It hurt and really sucks.
Just a 1d ban though, so more of a kick.
I feel awful and might just go dark for a bit.
It seems to me his focus is on the mods and rules rather than topics outside GME. Trying to focus on what you mentioned seems to be missing the forest for the trees imo.
LastResortFriend
It seems to me his focus is on the mods and rules rather than topics outside GME. Trying to focus on what you mentioned seems to be missing the forest for the trees imo.
It's not you.
Welcome to everything we do as mods, no matter what, even if repeatedly on the record asked to do it, being The Worst Idea Ever.
See the options discussion there. People got mad that they couldn't break Rule 1 when telling people options were a bad idea.
Their logic was that silent lurkers would see options talk and not the danger associated with options, and fall into a trap.
So we made a secret room for options and banished all talk there behind an opt in. Great! Now there's no option talk outside the one room, and no silent lurker is in danger.
AAAAAA MODS PUSHING OPTIONS! GIVEN SPECIAL TREATMENT!
...
I'm down right now. And I should step away.
I'm sorry. This is really wearing on me. The discord has a sickness that's been mouldering for a while. There are a lot of the older users who think it's a super special secret hangout club for the sub users. As far as I know, that was never the intent.
But they treat new people like it is, when it's just...an alternative adjacent option for better real time and relaxed nonsense.
So every time we say to be inclusive, they think we're compromising their secret club, and don't see that it's just people from the sub coming over to use real-time talk.
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Rough_Willow
I'm still trying to talk with Jack if they think Chinese food is related to GME.
It seems to me his focus is on the mods and rules rather than topics outside GME. Trying to focus on what you mentioned seems to be missing the forest for the trees imo.
Which has been the problem forever. This isn't a boolean determination of relatedness, but the strength of an argument that's build on facts and evidence.
Lyrad (Crybad)
If I'm being honest, Jack does not argue in good faith when it comes to anything mod related
I'll be honest crybad it mainly strikes me as being down to ideology rather than good or bad faith. That's almost exactly how I would argue with you, if you can recall some of our past run ins.
LastResortFriend
I'll be honest crybad it mainly strikes me as being down to ideology rather than good or bad faith. That's almost exactly how I would argue with you, if you can recall some of our past run ins.
Which has been the problem forever. This isn't a boolean determination of relatedness, but the strength of an argument that's build on facts and evidence.
Brain is out of power and good cells now so I can't articulate my response the way I want, but essentially I don't see this particular topic being resolved anytime soon without losing a boatload of community trust and division.
How about non-GME stuff gets a mandatory shitpost flair or gets removed with prejudice. Anyone that doesn’t want to see it can filter by flair. You can deem shitposts as all memes, tinfoil, RC general, kitchen sink.
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12:19 PM
As shitposts.
12:19 PM
Then there is nothing to debate. It is, or isn’t, a shitpost.
If it isn't GME related or cant be proven to have ties to GME, why allow it on a GME sub?
Lairian -Flairy Type-
It's not you.
Welcome to everything we do as mods, no matter what, even if repeatedly on the record asked to do it, being The Worst Idea Ever.
See the options discussion there. People got mad that they couldn't break Rule 1 when telling people options were a bad idea.
Their logic was that silent lurkers would see options talk and not the danger associated with options, and fall into a trap.
So we made a secret room for options and banished all talk there behind an opt in. Great! Now there's no option talk outside the one room, and no silent lurker is in danger.
AAAAAA MODS PUSHING OPTIONS! GIVEN SPECIAL TREATMENT!
...
I'm down right now. And I should step away.
I'm sorry. This is really wearing on me. The discord has a sickness that's been mouldering for a while. There are a lot of the older users who think it's a super special secret hangout club for the sub users. As far as I know, that was never the intent.
But they treat new people like it is, when it's just...an alternative adjacent option for better real time and relaxed nonsense.
So every time we say to be inclusive, they think we're compromising their secret club, and don't see that it's just people from the sub coming over to use real-time talk.
Please take a break if you're feeling beat down by this stuff. Its SO easy to burnout modding the sub or discord or being an SCC member. I've learned taking a week here or there to unplug from Gamestop stuff really helps. Its honestly hard to do with how involved we are, but you have a lot of wonderful folks around you to take on the challenge while you get some fresh air
Caffeine & Ketamine
If it isn't GME related or cant be proven to have ties to GME, why allow it on a GME sub?
I'm going to take a break for a few days. I have a business trip and I'm going to try to stay offline (hah).
I appreciate all that you mods do. It is a thankless and never-ending job for really no benefit I can tell and know myself.
Keep up the good work. This will all be in the rear view someday (tomorrow, always).
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SPCΞMΞmbΞr593
I'm going to take a break for a few days. I have a business trip and I'm going to try to stay offline (hah).
I appreciate all that you mods do. It is a thankless and never-ending job for really no benefit I can tell and know myself.
Keep up the good work. This will all be in the rear view someday (tomorrow, always).
Travel safe and enjoy your trip! Thank you as well, its been a pleasure working with you guys. I think we're headed in the right direction
SPCΞMΞmbΞr593
I'm going to take a break for a few days. I have a business trip and I'm going to try to stay offline (hah).
I appreciate all that you mods do. It is a thankless and never-ending job for really no benefit I can tell and know myself.
Keep up the good work. This will all be in the rear view someday (tomorrow, always).
Ok. So here’s a case where I think an OP clearly is just calling it related to GME.
The tweet has nothing to do with GME and he’s making a claim backed up with no sources. In the comments he is just linking the original article.
So by this same logic, I can make any claim I want about any topic, provide no evidence, tell others to go look it up, and this is what we pass as being fine.
If it’s removed because it doesn’t relate at all, sub goes apeshit because it’s picking and choosing what stays. If we actually set a standard that says “OPs need to actually back up claims with sources and not tell everyone else to go look” then this content is more readily removable because it has not actually shown the relevance
TiberiusWoodwind
Ok. So here’s a case where I think an OP clearly is just calling it related to GME.
The tweet has nothing to do with GME and he’s making a claim backed up with no sources. In the comments he is just linking the original article.
So by this same logic, I can make any claim I want about any topic, provide no evidence, tell others to go look it up, and this is what we pass as being fine.
If it’s removed because it doesn’t relate at all, sub goes apeshit because it’s picking and choosing what stays. If we actually set a standard that says “OPs need to actually back up claims with sources and not tell everyone else to go look” then this content is more readily removable because it has not actually shown the relevance
No but now you have 800 upvotes of people and this dude posts unity stuff and other memes constantly. What happens when he starts going off about censorship? But if the standard was that he needed an actual body of the post that explained how he’s making a connection and citing it, that’s nothing like what he normally does. And he drops his links nonstop in the memelords and wrinkles group chat
1:52 PM
Which is nowhere near an accurate name for that chat
TiberiusWoodwind
No but now you have 800 upvotes of people and this dude posts unity stuff and other memes constantly. What happens when he starts going off about censorship? But if the standard was that he needed an actual body of the post that explained how he’s making a connection and citing it, that’s nothing like what he normally does. And he drops his links nonstop in the memelords and wrinkles group chat
No but now you have 800 upvotes of people and this dude posts unity stuff and other memes constantly. What happens when he starts going off about censorship? But if the standard was that he needed an actual body of the post that explained how he’s making a connection and citing it, that’s nothing like what he normally does. And he drops his links nonstop in the memelords and wrinkles group chat
That dude is slowly building a fan/friend base, account age is under 1 month, too many canned responses, always falls back to " I am 100% DRS'd". It smells fishy.
Chato35
That dude is slowly building a fan/friend base, account age is under 1 month, too many canned responses, always falls back to " I am 100% DRS'd". It smells fishy.
@everyone - More fun context stuff.... sorry to interrupt the regularly scheduled program.
Received yet another follow up from these guys. They also took our conversation to Twitter
luma44
@everyone - More fun context stuff.... sorry to interrupt the regularly scheduled program.
Received yet another follow up from these guys. They also took our conversation to Twitter
We've discussed this. There are pros and cons to continuing discussions here, but this is where we've landed. When somebody mischaracterizes a private conversation in public, it's pretty clear that one of the parties isn't operating in good faith.
Honest question. From a strategy perspective, how does one turn an obvious bait on its head? Feeding trolls never works. Is silence most effective?Killing with kindness? Not sure. The moral high ground should not be without options.
sandman11235
Honest question. From a strategy perspective, how does one turn an obvious bait on its head? Feeding trolls never works. Is silence most effective?Killing with kindness? Not sure. The moral high ground should not be without options.
DD Writers didn't leave because of the mod team or because of the stock
3:07 PM
They left because it sucks to be bullied by toxic dickheads
3:07 PM
(Those that left, anyway)
3:08 PM
(Most remain)
Chato35
That dude is slowly building a fan/friend base, account age is under 1 month, too many canned responses, always falls back to " I am 100% DRS'd". It smells fishy.
People acting like there isn't already a mountain of DD to point to and we somehow need to develop more and more.. I mean i'm not saying you shouldn't always be tracking but acting like superstonk doesn't already have a ton of quality doesn't really seem true to me either.
And i gotta agree just deleting content isn't the way. Granted I'm pissed at how they acted, and leaked the private convo. I'm not sure what the right approach here is. I'm not trying to argue against quality really.
They remind me of frat bros.
Overestimate their intelligence and think too much of themselves.
Like cool yall had pulte on and Wes next.....Superstonk did that years ago
People acting like there isn't already a mountain of DD to point to and we somehow need to develop more and more.. I mean i'm not saying you shouldn't always be tracking but acting like superstonk doesn't already have a ton of quality doesn't really seem true to me either.
And i gotta agree just deleting content isn't the way. Granted I'm pissed at how they acted, and leaked the private convo. I'm not sure what the right approach here is. I'm not trying to argue against quality really.
I feel like many of the points you’ve made today have been in support of accepting low quality. In the history of the GME saga, it’s been high quality effort that’s attracted people to this. The really big DD’s were high quality but aimed at reaching every reader. People wanted to visit Superstonk because no one else was producing research like this and celebrating it. What has hurt Superstonk has been low effort content, spam, and folks coasting on the work of others. We build this place by encouraging folks to get back to producing work that is not seen anywhere else. If our answer is “yeah post whatever, maybe it’s right, no responsibility if it’s wrong” we are not attracting the best and brightest, we would be attracting the loudest.
Ok. So here’s a case where I think an OP clearly is just calling it related to GME.
The tweet has nothing to do with GME and he’s making a claim backed up with no sources. In the comments he is just linking the original article.
So by this same logic, I can make any claim I want about any topic, provide no evidence, tell others to go look it up, and this is what we pass as being fine.
If it’s removed because it doesn’t relate at all, sub goes apeshit because it’s picking and choosing what stays. If we actually set a standard that says “OPs need to actually back up claims with sources and not tell everyone else to go look” then this content is more readily removable because it has not actually shown the relevance
Im so late but when it comes to Twitter posts, the rule is supposed to be for people to post the "original source" in the post, not just to qvbot
TiberiusWoodwind
I feel like many of the points you’ve made today have been in support of accepting low quality. In the history of the GME saga, it’s been high quality effort that’s attracted people to this. The really big DD’s were high quality but aimed at reaching every reader. People wanted to visit Superstonk because no one else was producing research like this and celebrating it. What has hurt Superstonk has been low effort content, spam, and folks coasting on the work of others. We build this place by encouraging folks to get back to producing work that is not seen anywhere else. If our answer is “yeah post whatever, maybe it’s right, no responsibility if it’s wrong” we are not attracting the best and brightest, we would be attracting the loudest.
Best and brightest? Sure sounds great but that excludes over 50% over the population right of the bat if you wanna be generous. Not to mention the phrasing just makes me think, what are Citadel now?
3:47 PM
Again not saying there shouldn't be standards in place... I'm not trying to have everything my way. I'm not upset with the mods for shutting down all the towel talk. I don't wanna read about towel lol I wanna read about GME and the market from the perspective of people who see it as I do, fraudulent.
3:47 PM
But even 1 look at the PP sub and i can tell you do have a valid point when all they're doing is flooding the page with court documents they don't really understand making full out claims or w.e.
General aside:
Um. Is "bagholder" a rule 1? Because it's a pretty common ages-old finance term, and yeah nobody wants to be "a loser", but if used appropriately, isn't it...just calling spade a spade?
Bread & Circus. Step into the octagon with any sub member. Elon/Zuc style. Give the people what they want. Volunteers?(edited)
Lairian -Flairy Type-
General aside:
Um. Is "bagholder" a rule 1? Because it's a pretty common ages-old finance term, and yeah nobody wants to be "a loser", but if used appropriately, isn't it...just calling spade a spade?
If used as a non-lighthearted/jokey insult then yes.
In the right circumstances any word can probably be a Rule 1 break.
IMO the important part is the intention behind the words. If there's no good faith purpose and it will cause irritation, upset or pain then a Rule 1 removal is warranted.
But that said there's levels of Rule 1 removal something mundane like this just gets removed with a message. But most "actual insults" will get you a short temp ban.
FluffyTrex
If used as a non-lighthearted/jokey insult then yes.
In the right circumstances any word can probably be a Rule 1 break.
IMO the important part is the intention behind the words. If there's no good faith purpose and it will cause irritation, upset or pain then a Rule 1 removal is warranted.
But that said there's levels of Rule 1 removal something mundane like this just gets removed with a message. But most "actual insults" will get you a short temp ban.
Naw probably just me being silly ♂️ Not like I wanna defend low quality posts I just not big on censorship is all.
Waitingonawait
Best and brightest? Sure sounds great but that excludes over 50% over the population right of the bat if you wanna be generous. Not to mention the phrasing just makes me think, what are Citadel now?
The real shame of it is that its that 50% who drove off a lot of wrinkled brains. Because when those guys wanted to discuss research they were doing they had to listen to walls of comments saying "doesnt matter, just drs". Or they'd get called shills if what they found wasn't a bullish answer. Or they'd be called con artists if they made a prediction that wasn't accurate. Because there is absolutely zero skill or talent involved in having an opinion but that doesn't stop that 50% from informing everyone else of what's on their mind. I would like it if we could build superstonk into a place where wrinkle brains feel like participating again but that would involve the 50% spending less time giving hot takes and more time asking questions to individuals who do their own research.
5:27 PM
and not by pulling posts all the time either, but getting folks to understand that its ok to not share every idea that pops into your head
The real shame of it is that its that 50% who drove off a lot of wrinkled brains. Because when those guys wanted to discuss research they were doing they had to listen to walls of comments saying "doesnt matter, just drs". Or they'd get called shills if what they found wasn't a bullish answer. Or they'd be called con artists if they made a prediction that wasn't accurate. Because there is absolutely zero skill or talent involved in having an opinion but that doesn't stop that 50% from informing everyone else of what's on their mind. I would like it if we could build superstonk into a place where wrinkle brains feel like participating again but that would involve the 50% spending less time giving hot takes and more time asking questions to individuals who do their own research.
So i strongly oppose this vision you have of some glorious wrinkled only sub. Your taking your thought that this sub is trash right now and running with it. I beg to differ this sub is already miles above other subs and the last thing it needs is MORE censorship. The most important thing for this sub to do is just continue to exist. So as long as a post isn't in danger of having us shut down.. I'm probably gonna be for leaving it up. I'd rather not turn this sub into a barren wasteland.
I said as much when i joined this crew that I was for open discussion because that's how a lot of people learn.
My only worry is that if wrinkles are essentially pitchforked out, we will be left with an AMCStock style sub where it's pretty much just memes, tinfoil with no evidence, and hero worship.
Imo there really isn't an excuse for lacking the attempt to learn from people who know more than you. I didn't know a thing about investing, but I dove into DD that I hardly understood, read it until I did, and then continued learning.
We need to return to the days where "NFA/ Not a FA" style DD that is heavily peer reviewed and discussed is the status quo.
Unfortunately, for that, most of the intensive DD is done, besides the obvious macroeconomic aspects rhat are ever changing. So until new information/ actions from Gamestop occur, we're left in a gray area.(edited)
10:54 AM
Just my 2 cents.
If I've misrepresented the conversation please let me know, I've been speed reading everything is morning
Waitingonawait
So i strongly oppose this vision you have of some glorious wrinkled only sub. Your taking your thought that this sub is trash right now and running with it. I beg to differ this sub is already miles above other subs and the last thing it needs is MORE censorship. The most important thing for this sub to do is just continue to exist. So as long as a post isn't in danger of having us shut down.. I'm probably gonna be for leaving it up. I'd rather not turn this sub into a barren wasteland.
I said as much when i joined this crew that I was for open discussion because that's how a lot of people learn.
Backing up claims with a source is not the lofty act you are making it to be. But it does take longer than shotgunning opinions
Waitingonawait
So i strongly oppose this vision you have of some glorious wrinkled only sub. Your taking your thought that this sub is trash right now and running with it. I beg to differ this sub is already miles above other subs and the last thing it needs is MORE censorship. The most important thing for this sub to do is just continue to exist. So as long as a post isn't in danger of having us shut down.. I'm probably gonna be for leaving it up. I'd rather not turn this sub into a barren wasteland.
I said as much when i joined this crew that I was for open discussion because that's how a lot of people learn.
Seems like we’ve entered a 24hr news channel dilemma. Gotta provide content or the eyeballs go elsewhere. I want quality, but we can’t delete our way there. I like Ultimator5 making cartoons. He’s educating and helping. We are also in a slow slide which takes some energy out of the sub. We are getting some regulatory wins which I think should lead to more hype, but comments continue to stay mostly muted or negative. Not sure if that’s a psyOp or folks are tired.
The kind of censorship you want though would probably just lead to another case like the Heat Lamp THEORY. Opinions aren't facts but i don't think we should be yanking them off the sub. Just my thoughts on it is all, not like I'm anyone important. I admit I don't know if i'm on the right side of the fence in this debate. But i'm here.
Most of my stance is just based off of let the sub decide for itself what content makes it to the top for people to see, most people browsing new aren't newbs.
Like i've said I was for leaving stuff up and that's generally where i'm gonna stand when it comes to most posts, even if the thread connecting it to the saga is weak at best. I don't feel like anything should be off the table for discussion.
Hell even that post about microsoft and the IRS was interesting to me cause it shows the IRS is making moves....
@dismal-jellyfish.eth I just noticed you'd commented on my TR channel post. Wanted to thank you for stepping in and interacting.
Also @ProgVirus and @Rough_Willow@Waitingonawait@sandman11235@Diznavis I appreciate you all commenting your thoughts.
Means a lot.
If I can.
Everyone has differing opinions on how the sub should be run. Emotions run high when there's something that you vehemently disagree with. Please, we are all here to make the sub better and compromise is the name of the game.
Caffeine & Ketamine
@dismal-jellyfish.eth I just noticed you'd commented on my TR channel post. Wanted to thank you for stepping in and interacting.
Also @ProgVirus and @Rough_Willow@Waitingonawait@sandman11235@Diznavis I appreciate you all commenting your thoughts.
Means a lot.
Your attempts to bring transparency to this sub are awesome friend, just want to help however i can. I do want what is best for this sub in the end, and to see it continue to exist. SO i do appreciate everyones efforts here because I don't think people here are doing anything other than trying to help out. I really do love this sub and the people who frequent it and make it what it is. A hub of information regarding GME and the markets it is in.
I'll admit i probably didn't take this role as seriously as I should have when i first applied. I'm trying to do better but I'm also aware that I make mistakes and can be wrong. It's why i like conversation so much as a form of learning. It helps me learn and grow.
New accounts showing up from nowhere to tell WSB to play GME?
That's going to look sus to their mods too, and given the ticker they're going to assume it's alts and a brigade too, won't they?
Speculation of cours.e
It’s not censorship. It’s asking folks to cite sources and show evidence of connections.
Great example of this is book v plan. An opinion of which is best for an individual is fine to have. But many people on the sub can’t actually explain reasons why they go with one over the other and some cite reasons that don’t completely make sense. But the idea of drs is important enough to continue sharing with more people and we risk it gaining acceptance if the population of the sub can only defend it as “Ryan Cohen tweeted the phrase book king, and a vacation is only planned til you book it” because no one on the outside looking in wants to base financial decisions on someone’s interpretation of a tweet. It gets worse when folks give the answer of “let me send you this DD, it explains it better than I can”. Again, people on the outside looking in don’t know why they are trusting an anonymous stranger on the internet. It’s important that individual apes realize that they need to be able to support their opinions with evidence because if their normal level of conversation is just conjecture we will continuously struggle to grow.
How bout we get someone from Autism Speaks to do an AMA on conflict resolution. I could personally use some pointers. Might be a good resource for those helping with the TR channel.
Please show me with this box of popsicle sticks how we can resolve this issue.
Lairian -Flairy Type-
New accounts showing up from nowhere to tell WSB to play GME?
That's going to look sus to their mods too, and given the ticker they're going to assume it's alts and a brigade too, won't they?
Speculation of cours.e
It’s not censorship. It’s asking folks to cite sources and show evidence of connections.
Great example of this is book v plan. An opinion of which is best for an individual is fine to have. But many people on the sub can’t actually explain reasons why they go with one over the other and some cite reasons that don’t completely make sense. But the idea of drs is important enough to continue sharing with more people and we risk it gaining acceptance if the population of the sub can only defend it as “Ryan Cohen tweeted the phrase book king, and a vacation is only planned til you book it” because no one on the outside looking in wants to base financial decisions on someone’s interpretation of a tweet. It gets worse when folks give the answer of “let me send you this DD, it explains it better than I can”. Again, people on the outside looking in don’t know why they are trusting an anonymous stranger on the internet. It’s important that individual apes realize that they need to be able to support their opinions with evidence because if their normal level of conversation is just conjecture we will continuously struggle to grow.
The struggle to grow has nothing to do with the sub now and everything to do with the fact that it is impossible for it to show up in r/popular or r/all.. The sub would absolutely be growing if that were the case.
I'm not against getting people to source claims and stuff like that, or pulling bad posts that are completely unrelated to anything or making false claims.
I'm just against the mass removal of posts.
Waitingonawait
The struggle to grow has nothing to do with the sub now and everything to do with the fact that it is impossible for it to show up in r/popular or r/all.. The sub would absolutely be growing if that were the case.
I'm not against getting people to source claims and stuff like that, or pulling bad posts that are completely unrelated to anything or making false claims.
I'm just against the mass removal of posts.
Then don’t get to the removal stage. Set the standard for what a post needs to include. If it doesn’t meet the mark it’s not posted in the first place and there’s no need to remove it.
I'll pull a post i'm looking at now because it somewhat applies.. It doesn't really have anything to do with GME.. theres a small thread there with the Inside documentary..
https://www.reddit.com/r/Superstonk/comments/176jdxd/i_dont_see_a_serious_recession_occurring_if_one/
While this def 'doesn't make us look good' I'm still not in favor of pulling it down just because. The upvotes/downvotes will take care of that and it won't get many eyes is my guess.
And if it makes the QV bot really unhappy it'll get pulled.
Explore this post and more from the Superstonk community
sandman11235
How bout we get someone from Autism Speaks to do an AMA on conflict resolution. I could personally use some pointers. Might be a good resource for those helping with the TR channel.
My B, are they connected to WEF? I’m still learning
Waitingonawait
I'll pull a post i'm looking at now because it somewhat applies.. It doesn't really have anything to do with GME.. theres a small thread there with the Inside documentary..
https://www.reddit.com/r/Superstonk/comments/176jdxd/i_dont_see_a_serious_recession_occurring_if_one/
While this def 'doesn't make us look good' I'm still not in favor of pulling it down just because. The upvotes/downvotes will take care of that and it won't get many eyes is my guess.
And if it makes the QV bot really unhappy it'll get pulled.
I was just making a joke about rigid thinking and people talking past one another. I don’t really care either way. I don’t need another can of worms to play with
I dunno but if you wanna change the rules to be more strict i would def recommend putting it out to the community first to get feedback from everyone about tightening the reins on this ship
@Superstonk Mod@Community Corps Member
We've got a live one.
Transparency Request #3 in the Req. Channel.
I recommend we just acknowledge who will be helping out with this one, in the thread, then recollect and go over what they've provided.
4:37 PM
Told them it'll take time and we'll update as we go
4:40 PM
I'm busy smoking my cigar and drinking some Guinness so I'm in no rush lmao
Caffeine & Ketamine
@Superstonk Mod@Community Corps Member
We've got a live one.
Transparency Request #3 in the Req. Channel.
I recommend we just acknowledge who will be helping out with this one, in the thread, then recollect and go over what they've provided.
I’m working on new house stuff but I’ll hop on soon. Why is it that people immediately want to ask a relatively newly formed group to change what happened 2 years ago?
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TiberiusWoodwind
I’m working on new house stuff but I’ll hop on soon. Why is it that people immediately want to ask a relatively newly formed group to change what happened 2 years ago?
Not sure how the SCC is supposed to deal with millertime controversy. I kinda feel like our role is to help with things that are happening in the present, not resurrecting old blood feuds
Is there a different requests channel? I don't see any in scc-transparency-requests
sandman11235
Not sure how the SCC is supposed to deal with millertime controversy. I kinda feel like our role is to help with things that are happening in the present, not resurrecting old blood feuds
But all the he said she said drama was not witnessed by the SCC. You may have an opinion, but it’s an outside looking in opinion. I don’t think it’s helpful for the SCC to get embroiled in this.
Miller's ban is definitely old business. Many of the current mods were not mods. This is a complex issue. I recommend strongly that we calibrate as a team before we put our inaccurate information @BadassTrader
Miller's ban is definitely old business. Many of the current mods were not mods. This is a complex issue. I recommend strongly that we calibrate as a team before we put our inaccurate information @BadassTrader
Blame Discord. To the best of my knowledge, I can't make it so people can type in the channel (meaning if butts has a concern, able to post and hope for a thread), while also not able to type in all the threads there.
Lairian -Flairy Type-
Blame Discord. To the best of my knowledge, I can't make it so people can type in the channel (meaning if butts has a concern, able to post and hope for a thread), while also not able to type in all the threads there.
Yeah he's instigated a few times in the threads, I want to keep that from happening if possible.
My 2factor authentication isn't processing so I can't delete comments as needed
5:06 PM
Small issue, he luckily listened
Caffeine & Ketamine
Yeah he's instigated a few times in the threads, I want to keep that from happening if possible.
My 2factor authentication isn't processing so I can't delete comments as needed
Weird. Maybe we can try a screen share later to get you unblocked on that.
Any SCC member able to get 2FA set up and able to delete posts? Would like to know if I messed up setup somehow.
Lairian -Flairy Type-
Weird. Maybe we can try a screen share later to get you unblocked on that.
Any SCC member able to get 2FA set up and able to delete posts? Would like to know if I messed up setup somehow.
Ironically, I made a post back in the day defending Millertime, but in retrospect I think I was projecting. Created a lot of drama on a weekend. I’ve lived so many lives here.
Lairian -Flairy Type-
Weird. Maybe we can try a screen share later to get you unblocked on that.
Any SCC member able to get 2FA set up and able to delete posts? Would like to know if I messed up setup somehow.
My tinfoil senses say this isn't a coincidence that we've got two millertime fans coming in hot demanding mods make big apologies.
If this doesn't lead to "see, SCC biased and useless" on their forums I'll be shocked.
Especially since they're mining ancient stuff.(edited)
sandman11235
Ironically, I made a post back in the day defending Millertime, but in retrospect I think I was projecting. Created a lot of drama on a weekend. I’ve lived so many lives here.
Tell me about it. Time has no meaning. I just crossed my 1 year as a mod a few months back and I could have sworn it was 3.
Lairian -Flairy Type-
My tinfoil senses say this isn't a coincidence that we've got two millertime fans coming in hot demanding mods make big apologies.
If this doesn't lead to "see, SCC biased and useless" on their forums I'll be shocked.
Especially since they're mining ancient stuff. (edited)
This is why I'm trying my best to maintain some kind of organization and slight professionalism with this one.
I dont need this leaking out showing us to be anything but helpful
I edited out my opinion that this could be a big win for mods.. like his name is known and him getting unbanned would quell a lot of distrust that grew out of the plan v book fiasco.
My tinfoil senses say this isn't a coincidence that we've got two millertime fans coming in hot demanding mods make big apologies.
If this doesn't lead to "see, SCC biased and useless" on their forums I'll be shocked.
Especially since they're mining ancient stuff. (edited)
Jack today - DRSGME mods have never made any mistake.
Fabble now - SS mods made a mistake.
There’s this consistent thought amongst them that no one on drsyourgme has ever made a bad judgement call, only ss mods have. But for some reason, they want to be unbanned on ss instead of just participating on drsyourgme.
Waitingonawait
I edited out my opinion that this could be a big win for mods.. like his name is known and him getting unbanned would quell a lot of distrust that grew out of the plan v book fiasco.
Or a massive loss. He consistently finds people around him who are excessively toxic towards ss mods. I don’t mean “I think you guys made a bad call here, this would have been better”. I mean naming themselves things like “ssmodsaretrash”, using flairs like “fuck Superstonk”, and in general the vibe in their own server is how terrible and junk ss is.
How exactly is it a win to unban a guy who doesn’t look at that and say “knock it off”
Imagine how much better the world would be if all this hateful energy was channeled into something constructive - like helping to improve market reform and regulation.
Yes. Im curious if anyone here who has generally been pro-DRSyourGME sees the trend of allowing/ignoring toxicity as a mistake on the part of the mods in that group. Because imo anyway, the points I made above keep me feeling like unbanning miller presents nothing but risk, and I believe others here share that sentiment. Has allowing hate to foment worked out in their favor?
kibs
Changing and improving rules with the SEC for example for transparent and fairer markets
Tbh, I don’t see him making a great case for himself so I don’t think the end result is gonna be swayed without my participation. Plus it gives me time to fold clothes.
This. This. This.
Dude showed his hand.
It wasn't about information or even transparency, it was trying to weaponize the SCC to force people who aren't even really involved anymore, to do what they wanted.
Imo I'm done with them.
6:19 PM
If it was just about reviewing the ban, then sure, we'll discuss it and figure out what happened....but to outright demand we force people do apologize for things they had no part in...wtf does he think we are?
@dismal-jellyfish.eth I just noticed you'd commented on my TR channel post. Wanted to thank you for stepping in and interacting.
Also @ProgVirus and @Rough_Willow@Waitingonawait@sandman11235@Diznavis I appreciate you all commenting your thoughts.
Means a lot.
Thank YOU for stepping up and authoring such an awesome post. I truly am sorry that trolls came out to be nasty in some of the comments but was INCREDIBLY heartened by the vast majority of the back and forth in the comments.
From where I sit, I have not been able to be in here as active as I would like to be so far, but I marvel at how far y'all have come in such a short period of time and the community as a whole wins from this active collaboration between users, SCC members, and Mods.
At the same time, I appreciate you letting me know speaking out in such a way is welcomed and felt supportive towards your efforts (that was absolutely how it was intended to be).
How do I see the thread where you are discussing with jsckofspades? Can’t see it
kibs
Imagine how much better the world would be if all this hateful energy was channeled into something constructive - like helping to improve market reform and regulation.
I don't have to, I see y'all doing that in here already. Kibble, your work on getting the word out for commenting is top notch! And again, I cannot be more impressed with what is taking shape and already rocking and rolling here.
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Hipz
How do I see the thread where you are discussing with jsckofspades? Can’t see it
(not implying anyone has hateful energy here but moreso what happens when apes who have different view point respect and work together balling out together)
Thank YOU for stepping up and authoring such an awesome post. I truly am sorry that trolls came out to be nasty in some of the comments but was INCREDIBLY heartened by the vast majority of the back and forth in the comments.
From where I sit, I have not been able to be in here as active as I would like to be so far, but I marvel at how far y'all have come in such a short period of time and the community as a whole wins from this active collaboration between users, SCC members, and Mods.
At the same time, I appreciate you letting me know speaking out in such a way is welcomed and felt supportive towards your efforts (that was absolutely how it was intended to be).
I don't have to, I see y'all doing that in here already. Kibble, your work on getting the word out for commenting is top notch! And again, I cannot be more impressed with what is taking shape and already rocking and rolling here.
Division of labor. The team has it specialties.
DJ , Kibble, Plat, are on the front of SEC rules
DJ and Sax are into web3
Plat, Doom, Luma and myself do the AMAs
BaT and I handle web3 gaming
3-5 mods handle modmail
everyone helps with daily reddit modding
Plat/Luma/Kibble/Fluffy do community posts
etc etc
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7:56 AM
It's impossible for each mod to be plugged in to all aspects of the sub. Some of us have jobs that allow us to hang out all day (like myself), some can only put in a few hours a week. It really varies(edited)
Just also mean between the sub and watching discord. I get so engrossed in one i forget the other lol, missed a couple of the transparency chats, not that it really is like i'm needed or anything i just trying to keep up with all the content.
It does help when you can share the load. I didnt realize kibble was a mod
Waitingonawait
Just also mean between the sub and watching discord. I get so engrossed in one i forget the other lol, missed a couple of the transparency chats, not that it really is like i'm needed or anything i just trying to keep up with all the content.
It does help when you can share the load. I didnt realize kibble was a mod
That's why there's little overlap between the discord mods and the sub mods. 2 totally different moderation needs. In the Superstonk discord, the sub mods pretty much only watch the reddit related channels and the discord mods handle the rest. That helps a ton.
8:08 AM
Many of the mods you might not recognize by name. The preferred method of modding is under the SuperstonkMod account, mostly because the sub can be soooo toxic towards removals. I'd say probably 1/3 of us have thick skin to mod under our username with mod tag.
8:09 AM
I'd say probably, Luma, myself and Plat are the most common people who remove under our reddit names. (which makes it seem like we are the 'face' of things, but really it's because attacks on our character bother us a bit less than the others)
Waitingonawait
Just also mean between the sub and watching discord. I get so engrossed in one i forget the other lol, missed a couple of the transparency chats, not that it really is like i'm needed or anything i just trying to keep up with all the content.
It does help when you can share the load. I didnt realize kibble was a mod
It's interesting. One of the common requests is that we just add more mods. For the size and activity of the subreddit, we are far above the suggested mod count
8:15 AM
Somedays it feels like we could use another 7 mods though
Can I pick your brain on self promotion a bit? Wondering if you draw any line between people who make art/music/game content and people who build websites for info? It’s a grey area for me at the moment.
TiberiusWoodwind
Can I pick your brain on self promotion a bit? Wondering if you draw any line between people who make art/music/game content and people who build websites for info? It’s a grey area for me at the moment.
In my view, there's trivial difference between content aggregators and content creators. They both produce a product for people to experience via whatever medium they're expressing it on.
Rough_Willow
In my view, there's trivial difference between content aggregators and content creators. They both produce a product for people to experience via whatever medium they're expressing it on.
Gotcha. I’ve leaned towards web3 creators getting some leniency on self promotion on the condition that they spend the majority of the time discussing the business end.
TiberiusWoodwind
Gotcha. I’ve leaned towards web3 creators getting some leniency on self promotion on the condition that they spend the majority of the time discussing the business end.
Now, there's self promotion and there's monetization. As a sub, we've allowed more GameStop marketplace creators space to allow for monetized self promotion, but only on the weekends.
There should be further discussion with users if they want to expand which monetization should be allowed.
Good news on short reporting today from regulators and we have the usual rush to be negative and dismissive from many. Honest Question: how many of these are bad actors & how many are just extremely negative people. It’s exhausting to run around the sub and comment that good developments are good things. So frustrating.(edited)
Good news on short reporting today from regulators and we have the usual rush to be negative and dismissive from many. Honest Question: how many of these are bad actors & how many are just extremely negative people. It’s exhausting to run around the sub and comment that good developments are good things. So frustrating. (edited)
its the downside of playing our game in a completely rigged system. Everyone assumes that any change is going to be a change for the worse or have an ulterior motive to screw us.(edited)
Lyrad (Crybad)
its the downside of playing our game in a completely rigged system. Everyone assumes that any change is going to be a change for the worse or have an ulterior motive to screw us. (edited)
I just want to know as I roll my boulder up mt Superstonk every day whether the entropy I’m fighting against is from bad actors, autists, or petulant children.
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sandman11235
I just want to know as I roll my boulder up mt Superstonk every day whether the entropy I’m fighting against is from bad actors, autists, or petulant children.
I just want to know as I roll my boulder up mt Superstonk every day whether the entropy I’m fighting against is from bad actors, autists, or petulant children.
Also, in the next week or so, I'd like to have a voice chat meeting with the SCC. Just an informal check in. As you can tell, so much stuff gets lost in the scroll if you miss a few days. This will be a chance to talk about anything on your mind SCC or mod related.
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10:53 AM
Pros, cons, changes youd like to see. Also will be addressing some things like "when should we bring on more members"
Lyrad (Crybad)
Also, in the next week or so, I'd like to have a voice chat meeting with the SCC. Just an informal check in. As you can tell, so much stuff gets lost in the scroll if you miss a few days. This will be a chance to talk about anything on your mind SCC or mod related.
Ugh. Don't put this in there, but depending on how this upcoming voice chat goes, maybe in future ones we can do it on the Superstonk discord and have it open to the public for listen only. Like the SEC meeting today
Lyrad (Crybad)
Ugh. Don't put this in there, but depending on how this upcoming voice chat goes, maybe in future ones we can do it on the Superstonk discord and have it open to the public for listen only. Like the SEC meeting today
Well...the Fireside is a bust so far...
3.8k views, almost no interaction.
Eventually would it be possible to pin on the weekends? Hopefully people see it later on and interact
Caffeine & Ketamine
Well...the Fireside is a bust so far...
3.8k views, almost no interaction.
Eventually would it be possible to pin on the weekends? Hopefully people see it later on and interact
We could definitely discuss it! For what its worth, any mod post we've made in the past that isn't stickied gets very little interaction. Plus, I think it'll gain some steam. This is just the first one!
SPCΞMΞmbΞr593
I see Wes has cancelled. Assume he watched the Shrike interview.
We could definitely discuss it! For what its worth, any mod post we've made in the past that isn't stickied gets very little interaction. Plus, I think it'll gain some steam. This is just the first one!
But I demand it be the top post immediately!!! Lol
Hopefully it picks up
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Caffeine & Ketamine
Well...the Fireside is a bust so far...
3.8k views, almost no interaction.
Eventually would it be possible to pin on the weekends? Hopefully people see it later on and interact
We've had that one the discord sometimes too. Make what we think is just a great feature that people will love...and it's a ghost town. It happens.
I second Hipz. Do it at least three times before you get too down.
You'd think people would want to voice their concerns
1:12 PM
Even after 3 times I'll keep doing it
1:12 PM
Eventually people will notice, click and see what's going on
1:13 PM
I'm sure starfish guy didn't get front page right off the bat . Probably took a few tries
Caffeine & Ketamine
Well...the Fireside is a bust so far...
3.8k views, almost no interaction.
Eventually would it be possible to pin on the weekends? Hopefully people see it later on and interact
Some people are at work. Look for the after 5PM crew.
Caffeine & Ketamine
Well...the Fireside is a bust so far...
3.8k views, almost no interaction.
Eventually would it be possible to pin on the weekends? Hopefully people see it later on and interact
Time to bust out some click bait?
"This is what it look like to hold the mods accountable"
"Sus mods hate this one simple trick"
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But seriously tho mod posts get soooo little traction. Even when it's a contentious topic. I mean I get it before I was a mod I avoided "drama" and update posts like the plague.
Well...the Fireside is a bust so far...
3.8k views, almost no interaction.
Eventually would it be possible to pin on the weekends? Hopefully people see it later on and interact
I think overall interaction in the comment section is just down too.. try offering a couple packs of pokemon cards or something to the top comment lol It can also be hard with a post like that to get it into hot just because of the type of content.
General question for the group. I’m not going to post this I think but here is the question. I visited the local GameStop on my trip and found these monstrosities…
If I wanted to post something like this would it be allowed? Even as a shitpost?
i didn't browse the comments too much, being honest. Just pondering the idea of crafting a post to post over there about Citadel and EDX and Anchorage lol. Curious what kind of views they get.. I was just distracted in r/all reading about Israel...
11:20 PM
Just was curious I guess.. think i'm just bored cause it's slow and the weekend now..
FYI: I just want everyone to know that I'm very proud of the SCC team. This has been a wonderful experience for the mods and I hope for you all as well. There are absolutely some kinks to work out still, but this whole experience is well worth the time invested.
Oh damn that's really awesome of you!
Definitely didn't need to do that but it's appreciated
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Lyrad (Crybad)
FYI: I just want everyone to know that I'm very proud of the SCC team. This has been a wonderful experience for the mods and I hope for you all as well. There are absolutely some kinks to work out still, but this whole experience is well worth the time invested.
I want to second this - I haven’t been able to get involved nearly as much I would have liked but you guys have been smashing it, and it’s an incredible team made up of incredible persons. Bravo - and look forward to more excellence spent together moving forward
https://www.reddit.com/r/GMEOrphans/comments/177456s/looking_for_access_to_comment_on_ss/
Just wanna bring a little attention to this post as OP hasn't really responded to me and i HATE seeing that abbreviation. Really hoping we can get this post down somehow. I know OP just wants access to post in superstonk but.. like it's just a bad look in the orphan sub i think
Explore this post and more from the GMEOrphans community
Waitingonawait
https://www.reddit.com/r/GMEOrphans/comments/177456s/looking_for_access_to_comment_on_ss/
Just wanna bring a little attention to this post as OP hasn't really responded to me and i HATE seeing that abbreviation. Really hoping we can get this post down somehow. I know OP just wants access to post in superstonk but.. like it's just a bad look in the orphan sub i think
I would send the GMEorphans mods a mod mail about it. Even through we get along with that sub, asking them to moderate specific things looks like we are overstepping as mods and trying to control other subs.(edited)
Hey I was pinged! Wish I could spend more time over here interacting. I do come over and read quite often and just want to eco what Lyrad and Pigeon said above. I am totally amazed at all the work that the SCC has been doing. It has been great for the sub. Thank you all!
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Skytoph
Hey I was pinged! Wish I could spend more time over here interacting. I do come over and read quite often and just want to eco what Lyrad and Pigeon said above. I am totally amazed at all the work that the SCC has been doing. It has been great for the sub. Thank you all!
I spend more of my time on the sub and still getting used to keeping up with this discord.. Why lyrad had to tell me how to ping mods cause i'm a noob when it comes to this stuff.
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Waitingonawait
I spend more of my time on the sub and still getting used to keeping up with this discord.. Why lyrad had to tell me how to ping mods cause i'm a noob when it comes to this stuff.
@Community Corps Member, I shared this with @Superstonk Mod but would love to get your feedback as well.
The monetization thread from the other day in the SCC has had me thinking and wanting to provide some flavor to statements made via data. I would also like to take another moment to field any questions or comments folks moight have so far.
About the project:
I am not not tracking for ads or anything like that, just basic analytics
The only way someone's name and email are recorded is if they signup to be a member (because they would like email notifications)
The site has been active for about three weeks now
There are no ads, store, crypto address, etc.
I am currently self-supporting and paying for resources out of pocket (more than a couple of GameStop shares a month at this point)
BadassTrader was awesome to share some information with me and paired with some information I have been able to put together, and I believe I am on the path to accomplishing what I set out to do with https://dismal-jellyfish.com/ --getting the word out to a broader audience outside of just the sub about GameStop.
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1:26 PM
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TLDR: in a little over two weeks I am getting the word out 'better' (in the algo's eyes via keywords) than Peruvian_Bull and his Substack and Dave with We the Investors via keywords.
I believe I am capturing my mission statement and aim to keep doing what I am doing but again, want to temp check with yall to make sure folks have some insight as to what 'I am doing' my end.
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1:29 PM
Additionally, I bring up as this is happening on just about every post now it seems. The nervous nelly in me worries reddit will 'WSOP' shadow ban me linking to my site for the reports like as happened with them because it is being reported as breaking sub rules so frequently now.
Well if you got shadow banned that would upset a lot of people lol.. was just talking about the reddit thing with someone and it was mentioned it was going to be tricky seas for you to navigate. Wish you all the best, none of this looks bad and i hope you don't catch too much hate.
This kind of misinformation is difficult to fight against. It might be worthwhile to mention the analytics on all the pages for informational purposes.
Waitingonawait
Well if you got shadow banned that would upset a lot of people lol.. was just talking about the reddit thing with someone and it was mentioned it was going to be tricky seas for you to navigate. Wish you all the best, none of this looks bad and i hope you don't catch too much hate.
I have been a 'popular user' for sometime, honestly a bit surprised 'conflict of interest' had not come up sooner but am also glad it had not because I am appreciative this group is here now for additional perspectives.
Rough_Willow
This kind of misinformation is difficult to fight against. It might be worthwhile to mention the analytics on all the pages for informational purposes.
I honestly don't really have any advise for you either man. As someone who tends to only comment it's not as much of a concern for me and i'm glad i don't have to worry about people getting on my back about trying to make a buck, when all i'm trying to do is help. I might still get that though given how active i've been recently.. makes me wanna go back to lurking.
I really do appreciate the efforts that everyone puts in. It's amazing to watch.
dismal-jellyfish.eth
I have been a 'popular user' for sometime, honestly a bit surprised 'conflict of interest' had not come up sooner but am also glad it had not because I am appreciative this group is here now for additional perspectives.
I absolutely see the potential for there to be a conflict of interests. You do have power and if you were to monetize, you really could push quite a lot of traffic to your site.
Rough_Willow
Every page can have a disclaimer about the analytics in the site, right?
It could but I would prefer stylelisticaly to avoid something like that especially since it is not 'industry' standard it appears. My understanding of part of why this is 'doing so well' out the gate is I am adhering to those principles.
(those say to have a privacy policy and terms of use--which I do)
https://dismal-jellyfish.com/privacy-policy/https://dismal-jellyfish.com/terms-of-service/(edited)
dismal-jellyfish.eth
I have been a 'popular user' for sometime, honestly a bit surprised 'conflict of interest' had not come up sooner but am also glad it had not because I am appreciative this group is here now for additional perspectives.
Frankly I was shocked to see you come under fire like this. I'd always perceived the sentiment that you were a sub darling (non-derogatory, positive, admiring)(edited)
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Lairian -Flairy Type-
Frankly I was shocked to see you come under fire like this. I'd always perceived the sentiment that you were a sub darling (non-derogatory, positive, admiring) (edited)
Frankly I was shocked to see you come under fire like this. I'd always perceived the sentiment that you were a sub darling (non-derogatory, positive, admiring) (edited)
it is also important that no one is above scrutiny, even if someone was good in the past doesn't mean they always will be, or that their account wasn't hacked/stolen/sold. apes should always question anything that seems off, no matter the source
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Rough_Willow
I absolutely see the potential for there to be a conflict of interests. You do have power and if you were to monetize, you really could push quite a lot of traffic to your site.
I would only look to 'monetize' when my 'costs' are more that what I can volunteer to the community (on top of my time and efforts). Say traffic is nuts and I have to move to a full dedicated server and the such--at what point is letting folks know how much goes into putting something like this on and if they want to donate acceptable (for example)?
To be honest, it is quite a check of privilege to even do what I am doing now (and in the position in life to support something like this on behalf of what I believe to be the greater good).
dismal-jellyfish.eth
I would only look to 'monetize' when my 'costs' are more that what I can volunteer to the community (on top of my time and efforts). Say traffic is nuts and I have to move to a full dedicated server and the such--at what point is letting folks know how much goes into putting something like this on and if they want to donate acceptable (for example)?
To be honest, it is quite a check of privilege to even do what I am doing now (and in the position in life to support something like this on behalf of what I believe to be the greater good).
The crux is being a moderator. Monetization is a complete different topic that needs to be visited for everyone and a user poll needs to take place if that was to change. From my viewpoint, that's very unlikely that any change would be made.
Interesting side note then. With reddit making changes to the award system, since DJ posts a lot, it could come back as him getting monetized for his posts
I understand that some will feel that makes a difference but I personally don't as Jelly will tell you I've removed their stuff from the sub before as a mod. What Jelly posts as a user is unrelated to their mod ship imo. In fact there could be using an alt and we'd not even be having this discussion lol.
That said I absolutely understand that some will want the discussion to take place.
I think focusing on the fact that he is a mod is also taking away from the fact that what he is posting about is VALUABLE to the sub.. so if it's helpful to the sub why should it not be allowed? Especially if there are currently no ways he is monetizing it. If that changes, can the stance not then adjust to be that he couldn't be allowed to post?
I do not bring this up because 'look at me I am popular' but to call out a large portion of the sub is interested in and interacting with the material posted on a daily basis.
To me, making this information further available in as easy and as many ways possible seems like a 'correct' next step.
Rough_Willow
Let me put this another way. Do you know what the reason is behind banning relationships between teachers and college students they teach?
There exists a possibility that the power the teacher has over the student will be abused.
Waitingonawait
I think focusing on the fact that he is a mod is also taking away from the fact that what he is posting about is VALUABLE to the sub.. so if it's helpful to the sub why should it not be allowed? Especially if there are currently no ways he is monetizing it. If that changes, can the stance not then adjust to be that he couldn't be allowed to post?
So, you have more chances to exploit the visibility of posts with that coming too. It's going to open a big bag of worms where users believe that which posts stay up is due to the money you'd make from possibily being a paid poster.
Rough_Willow
There exists a possibility that the power the teacher has over the student will be abused.
I assume this would be in the form of me removing posts that would 'knee cap mine' with the removals ending up here for you guys to erview and call out to begin with?
dismal-jellyfish.eth
I assume this would be in the form of me removing posts that would 'knee cap mine' with the removals ending up here for you guys to erview and call out to begin with?
I'm still stuck on if it's valuable to the sub why are people trying to get it pulled? comes off as suspicious and that your obviously doing the right thing by presenting a professional side of superstonk.
Same here--I would be so bummed if they shut the sub or locked me out of my profile
2:12 PM
considering I 'drive a considerable amount of the discussion' backing it up seems prudent
Waitingonawait
I'm still stuck on if it's valuable to the sub why are people trying to get it pulled? comes off as suspicious and that your obviously doing the right thing by presenting a professional side of superstonk.
I think this is a great idea, personally. It'll feel less like we're picking on Real Jellyfish, and not Hypothetical Future Jellyfish, and that might be good for detached objective discussion?
Any time he's got a show, he can shape which posts are rising by removing them and pushing his view count higher. Is he abusing his position as a moderator for financial gain?
Rough_Willow
Any time he's got a show, he can shape which posts are rising by removing them and pushing his view count higher. Is he abusing his position as a moderator for financial gain?
I mean this is partly why the SCC exists, to give insight and transparency into removals... he can't just remove a post because he personally whims it?
2:15 PM
sorry was typing something else
Waitingonawait
I mean this is partly why the SCC exists, to give insight and transparency into removals... he can't just remove a post because he personally whims it?
Additionally, it's absolutely possible that he isn't abusing his moderator powers at all, but the fact that he has the ability is what leads to a conflict of interests.
Does anyone understand how the new reward system works? Is it essentially giving people the abilities to dump money onto posts?
Rough_Willow
Additionally, it's absolutely possible that he isn't abusing his moderator powers at all, but the fact that he has the ability is what leads to a conflict of interests.
Do you personally believe there's a conflict because I make money on options on GME (and have a sub about it)
Rough_Willow
Any time he's got a show, he can shape which posts are rising by removing them and pushing his view count higher. Is he abusing his position as a moderator for financial gain?
The work flow as in place within in the moderation team and by extension within the SCC ensures that no singular one person makes decisions in terms of what the community does or doesn’t see, our role is simply only to ensure that no damaging content enters the sub
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Lyrad (Crybad)
Do you personally believe there's a conflict because I make money on options on GME (and have a sub about it)
Sorry folks, I'll try to get on the same page and read everything I can. Finishing up work with a client
kibs
The work flow as in place within in the moderation team and by extension within the SCC ensures that no singular one person makes decisions in terms of what the community does or doesn’t see, our role is simply only to ensure that no damaging content enters the sub
But the removals are not without their transparency - and it's not only usually a team discussion as had to communicate our thoughts in regards to removals, but there is equally accountabilty with the named user and who removed it
Lyrad (Crybad)
It comes down to the possibility of power being abused if I'm understanding RW correctly.
Simply that it's possible, without regard to the likelihood of it happening.
kibs
But the removals are not without their transparency - and it's not only usually a team discussion as had to communicate our thoughts in regards to removals, but there is equally accountabilty with the named user and who removed it
I don't want to put other mods in a tight spot, but I am open to sharing my monthly mod actions with the SCC on a rolling basis if that helps with any concerns of that going down)
kibs
But the removals are not without their transparency - and it's not only usually a team discussion as had to communicate our thoughts in regards to removals, but there is equally accountabilty with the named user and who removed it
The SCC team doesn't see what's being removed? I can't draw any conclusions based on which posts may or may not be removed unless I'm watching every post.
Oh god.. so i'm pretty sure it is like people can just dump money onto posts now...
A suite of six gold awarding options will appear, starting at $1.99 for one gold, and up to $49.00 for 25 gold. A golden upvote will appear in place of a regular upvote after gilding. Users will continue to earn karma on content upvoted through the regular upvote button.
Caffeine & Ketamine
This does announce an issue, within the primary goal of the SCC....
This is the first step IMO and our rough draft towards meeting in the middle of full transparancy and whatever it was we did before
Waitingonawait
Oh god.. so i'm pretty sure it is like people can just dump money onto posts now...
A suite of six gold awarding options will appear, starting at $1.99 for one gold, and up to $49.00 for 25 gold. A golden upvote will appear in place of a regular upvote after gilding. Users will continue to earn karma on content upvoted through the regular upvote button.
Oh god.. so i'm pretty sure it is like people can just dump money onto posts now...
A suite of six gold awarding options will appear, starting at $1.99 for one gold, and up to $49.00 for 25 gold. A golden upvote will appear in place of a regular upvote after gilding. Users will continue to earn karma on content upvoted through the regular upvote button.
At some point in the near future, we are going to send out a survey to everyone (anonymous), so we can get good feed back on what people like/don't like/problems/solutions and how to better improve the SCC
2:31 PM
This isn't our final solution. It's just a first step
At some point in the near future, we are going to send out a survey to everyone (anonymous), so we can get good feed back on what people like/don't like/problems/solutions and how to better improve the SCC
I'm seriously just wondering how you even have a rule of no monetizing when they are making it so every post can be monetized...
Your perspective is appreciated sorry that i'm not in agreeance with you but as someone said to me it really does help to have that opposing perspective!
2:51 PM
every post could be viewed as an attempt to monetize rather
2:52 PM
like i'll just say i don't think this change is being received too well by the community either.
Waitingonawait
every post could be viewed as an attempt to monetize rather
Yeah, it was seeing this happening (and the fact I could be locked out of my own stuff if I didnt pay fr it, do what they want, what have you) that spurred me into getting what I have now in place.
2:53 PM
Plus, while Reddit has great SEO it is not optimized
Waitingonawait
I'm seriously just wondering how you even have a rule of no monetizing when they are making it so every post can be monetized...
Your perspective is appreciated sorry that i'm not in agreeance with you but as someone said to me it really does help to have that opposing perspective!
So, it was a rule that was discussed a long time ago to remove that conflict of interests in that historical moderation team. Now we can see just how big of a problem it could be with ThePPShow.
These new changes by Reddit are going to make everything much harder. It might be time to bring this to the users ahead of time because of how frustrating this will be.
Also, and this is also spitballing here, but is the rule outdated? Both bbby and amc did a much better job at getting their respective words out because they weren't as constrained by rules as we are.
Rough_Willow
So, it was a rule that was discussed a long time ago to remove that conflict of interests in that historical moderation team. Now we can see just how big of a problem it could be with ThePPShow.
These new changes by Reddit are going to make everything much harder. It might be time to bring this to the users ahead of time because of how frustrating this will be.
Yeah i get the rule and why it's there. I don't want this sub to be like that either....
Lyrad (Crybad)
Also, and this is also spitballing here, but is the rule outdated? Both bbby and amc did a much better job at getting their respective words out because they weren't as constrained by rules as we are.
It might just come down to explaining how the No Monetization rule isn't enforceable now that these platform changes are being made.
Definitely pose it as a question on how it should be applied in the future, but we need to talk about it soon.
Not to be a jerk, but with reddit having monetized posts already, how is modding any post not a conflict of interest in some way for any mod now since every post could be monetized?
dismal-jellyfish.eth
Not to be a jerk, but with reddit having monetized posts already, how is modding any post not a conflict of interest in some way for any mod now since every post could be monetized?
@Community Corps Member, I shared this with @Superstonk Mod but would love to get your feedback as well.
The monetization thread from the other day in the SCC has had me thinking and wanting to provide some flavor to statements made via data. I would also like to take another moment to field any questions or comments folks moight have so far.
About the project:
I am not not tracking for ads or anything like that, just basic analytics
The only way someone's name and email are recorded is if they signup to be a member (because they would like email notifications)
The site has been active for about three weeks now
There are no ads, store, crypto address, etc.
I am currently self-supporting and paying for resources out of pocket (more than a couple of GameStop shares a month at this point)
BadassTrader was awesome to share some information with me and paired with some information I have been able to put together, and I believe I am on the path to accomplishing what I set out to do with https://dismal-jellyfish.com/ --getting the word out to a broader audience outside of just the sub about GameStop.
That whole conversation was a read, phew. Awesome that though this discussion likely came from a place of bad faith have you given it serious thought and attention. I think (if you haven't already) just copypasta-ing what you wrote in the first few posts would be a good summary/thing to point to on Reddit (maybe a post on your profile, probably not the sub at any rate)
Would this ever be considered if possible? Could Elegant-Remote style PowerBI filter be front-ended to scrutinize a transparent ModLog ?
It would lead to some interesting conversations no doubt when Reddit Admins take actions. I see them occasionally in some of the subs I mod. Some are no brainers, some are like wtf are they doing that for... Do you guys see that happening often?(edited)
The video itself isn't too too bad... It doesn't share any websites it's just a dude filming himself talking.. his data might not be 100% accurate but the message is power to the people and retail is the whale.. I found it useful because i had forgotten that a lot of what blackrock and vanguard do is hold peoples retirement funds basically. Not as simple as that obviously but its hard to sum these things up in digestable forms.
I'd love for more people to upvote the comments arguing the data than mine lol i just wanted to comment to encourage people to watch it and not just gloss over it.
For sure.. kind of a dark irony that people preaching the 2nd ammendent are kinda having their 1st one dismissed a little lol. But that kind of talk isn't exactly helpful.
It's about time and place. I'm absolutely not advocating that "no one can talk about this ever" but not in this space specifically. Even within the same website there's countless places it's appropriate.
@Community Corps Member@Superstonk Mod: given that gold and karma can get you paid from reddit on a monthly basis, along with the monetization guidelines, I believe the 'quality of content' may need to be examined as well.
For example, this post: https://www.reddit.com/r/Superstonk/comments/179j90q/finra_instinet_fined_38million_for_misreporting/
The make a sensational claim that links to twitter that then links to finras page that then links to a doc that then needs to be searched to even find what they are talking about.
I have previously covered this topic in depth already and shared a link with more context https://www.reddit.com/r/Superstonk/comments/179j90q/comment/k579kww/
For the record I am not taking any mod action on this post (for potential perceived conflicts of interest).
However, I also recall there has been discussion amongst this group about the level of discourse on the sub. With all content potentially monetized there will certainly be more and more of a race to the bottom to please Reddit's algo vs the spirit of the sub unless, imo, both SCC and Mods work together to get out in front of it.
Upon my 1st cup of coffee, the return of Shittymorph makes sense with the monetization changes coming. This dude was a highly upvoted guy and this is what we get after a multi-year hiatus of Mankind’s hell in a cell maneuver.
This will reverberate in all subs.(edited)
dismal-jellyfish.eth
@Community Corps Member@Superstonk Mod: given that gold and karma can get you paid from reddit on a monthly basis, along with the monetization guidelines, I believe the 'quality of content' may need to be examined as well.
For example, this post: https://www.reddit.com/r/Superstonk/comments/179j90q/finra_instinet_fined_38million_for_misreporting/
The make a sensational claim that links to twitter that then links to finras page that then links to a doc that then needs to be searched to even find what they are talking about.
I have previously covered this topic in depth already and shared a link with more context https://www.reddit.com/r/Superstonk/comments/179j90q/comment/k579kww/
For the record I am not taking any mod action on this post (for potential perceived conflicts of interest).
However, I also recall there has been discussion amongst this group about the level of discourse on the sub. With all content potentially monetized there will certainly be more and more of a race to the bottom to please Reddit's algo vs the spirit of the sub unless, imo, both SCC and Mods work together to get out in front of it.
Questions: Are our current rules sufficient to address the problem or do new ones need to be made? If new rules are needed, how should they be implemented to avoid claims of censorship? Lastly, there has been a decline in quality volume, if low quality goes away will anything be left? (Last is more of an existential question)
dismal-jellyfish.eth
@Community Corps Member@Superstonk Mod: given that gold and karma can get you paid from reddit on a monthly basis, along with the monetization guidelines, I believe the 'quality of content' may need to be examined as well.
For example, this post: https://www.reddit.com/r/Superstonk/comments/179j90q/finra_instinet_fined_38million_for_misreporting/
The make a sensational claim that links to twitter that then links to finras page that then links to a doc that then needs to be searched to even find what they are talking about.
I have previously covered this topic in depth already and shared a link with more context https://www.reddit.com/r/Superstonk/comments/179j90q/comment/k579kww/
For the record I am not taking any mod action on this post (for potential perceived conflicts of interest).
However, I also recall there has been discussion amongst this group about the level of discourse on the sub. With all content potentially monetized there will certainly be more and more of a race to the bottom to please Reddit's algo vs the spirit of the sub unless, imo, both SCC and Mods work together to get out in front of it.
For the record 'not running this rat race' is a HUGE driving factor behind my motivation for djf.com
sandman11235
Questions: Are our current rules sufficient to address the problem or do new ones need to be made? If new rules are needed, how should they be implemented to avoid claims of censorship? Lastly, there has been a decline in quality volume, if low quality goes away will anything be left? (Last is more of an existential question)
What comes to mind is.. how does this work with linking articles now? like if someone just posts a link to someone else's article and can montize off that.... or even just use AI to rewrite it.. like.. what a can of worms...
sandman11235
I was not able to dig into the long scroll debate that happened yesterday. Anyone got a TLDR to bring me up to speed?
I am not looking to put words in anyone's mouth, but I understand it at: me being a mod and having an outside platform means I am always in position to be conflicted towards that.
The mods have tried to show how that is not the case (structure in place to manage this) but the potential for conflict will remain so long as I am a member of the mod team (or at lest that is how the more suspicious amongst the community will view it).
sandman11235
I was not able to dig into the long scroll debate that happened yesterday. Anyone got a TLDR to bring me up to speed?
Here's a Chat GPT summary of each individual's stance on the topic of Reddit's evolving monetization changes: The Golden Upvote.
Take with grain of salt please.. I'm just having fun with AI.
The "golden upvote" refers to a specific form of upvoting on Reddit, where users can opt into a program to award posts and comments with a "golden" or paid award. This award is typically associated with a monetary value, and when a user uses it to upvote a post or comment, the recipient may receive a portion of the award's value as a reward. It's a way for users to show extra appreciation for high-quality or engaging content while also supporting content creators on the platform. This system is distinct from the traditional upvoting where posts and comments gain visibility and popularity through increased upvotes, as the "golden upvote" is tied to a financial component.
Rough_Willow: Concerned about balancing support for content creators and blocking potential grifters, suggests that the "No Monetization" rule may no longer be enforceable due to platform changes and calls for a discussion on how it should be applied in the future.
Lyrad (Crybad): Acknowledges the changes in monetization, raising questions about how these changes should be applied and advocating for the need to update or clarify the rules soon.
Waitingonawait: Expects changes to take place by the end of the year and expresses concern about the impact of upvotes on post visibility.
dismal-jellyfish.eth: Raises concerns about potential conflicts of interest for moderators now that every post could be monetized, especially with Reddit's introduction of monetized posts.
Skytoph: Offers reassurance that moderators are also users and can participate in discussions on the topic.
ProgVirus: Suggests that the conversation is in-depth and commends the participants for giving it serious thought, recommending using Rough_Willow's initial posts as a summary or reference for discussions on Reddit.
5:55 AM
luma44: Reacts with an image, without explicitly expressing a stance on the topic.
FluffyTrex: Reacts with emojis, expressing hopes that certain developments are coincidental and not intentional.
Rough_Willow: Shares a link to a Reddit thread related to the platform's contributor system, continuing to engage with the topic.
Lyrad (Crybad): Realizes a mistake in their previous message and acknowledges their need for sleep, without expressing a specific stance on the topic.
FluffyTrex: Discusses their usage of Reddit on mobile but doesn't take a specific stance on the topic.
These users have varying levels of concern, curiosity, and uncertainty regarding the changes in Reddit's monetization system and its implications for content creators and moderators. Some are actively engaged in discussing the topic, while others react with emojis or express a need for further information or clarification.
Here's a Chat GPT summary of each individual's stance on the topic of Reddit's evolving monetization changes: The Golden Upvote.
Take with grain of salt please.. I'm just having fun with AI.
The "golden upvote" refers to a specific form of upvoting on Reddit, where users can opt into a program to award posts and comments with a "golden" or paid award. This award is typically associated with a monetary value, and when a user uses it to upvote a post or comment, the recipient may receive a portion of the award's value as a reward. It's a way for users to show extra appreciation for high-quality or engaging content while also supporting content creators on the platform. This system is distinct from the traditional upvoting where posts and comments gain visibility and popularity through increased upvotes, as the "golden upvote" is tied to a financial component.
Rough_Willow: Concerned about balancing support for content creators and blocking potential grifters, suggests that the "No Monetization" rule may no longer be enforceable due to platform changes and calls for a discussion on how it should be applied in the future.
Lyrad (Crybad): Acknowledges the changes in monetization, raising questions about how these changes should be applied and advocating for the need to update or clarify the rules soon.
Waitingonawait: Expects changes to take place by the end of the year and expresses concern about the impact of upvotes on post visibility.
dismal-jellyfish.eth: Raises concerns about potential conflicts of interest for moderators now that every post could be monetized, especially with Reddit's introduction of monetized posts.
Skytoph: Offers reassurance that moderators are also users and can participate in discussions on the topic.
ProgVirus: Suggests that the conversation is in-depth and commends the participants for giving it serious thought, recommending using Rough_Willow's initial posts as a summary or reference for discussions on Reddit.
If the post can be cut down to an informative one that lets people know what's going on and how it's disrupting sub rules, then that would be excellent.
6:04 AM
The gritty details on how it's going to change the quality of content and how users want the rules to change to reflect these issues can take place in another chat.
I seriously just wanna know how reddit plans to deal with people linking to other news articles and such.. or taking other peoples memes or recycling content for new eyes...
I seriously just wanna know how reddit plans to deal with people linking to other news articles and such.. or taking other peoples memes or recycling content for new eyes...
Reddit is rolling this out to the biggest communities first. It doesn't appear to be live on every sub yet, but it's coming either way.
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6:11 AM
We were assigned a radmin specifically for being able to ask questions and get feedback specific to reddit gold(edited)
6:12 AM
before we consider putting together a community post, which I would eventually support, let's get the facts straight
6:12 AM
What I'd like to enlist us all to do is thread this conversation and crowdsource questions and concerns that we have
6:12 AM
Then we put these to radmins.
6:13 AM
It sounds like we could potentially positively impact how reddit gold ultimately works, and I guarantee there are things we've discussed here that they may not have considered.
6:13 AM
But these are valuable concerns and things we'll need to navigate.
I just forsee issues with people posting articles on this sub, getting tons of golden upvotes, and the article writers coming after this sub specifically.. Just think of all the negative articles that come through here that would be fodder for trolls to dump golden upvotes on.
Hell man even with AI i can take an article and in 2-3 minutes rewrite it to be 'passable'... like i'm sure they've thought about all this.. I would hope they have...
Like sure if i'm browsing my own feed it pops up but not in r/popular or r/all...
I mean look at ringingbells post.. 6k upvotes.. still 16 hours so still young.. why not there?
This gold thing is so frustrating tbh. There's just so many different ways it can play out and effect the entire site. "Karma Farming" is about to be an entirely different level.
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6:43 AM
So many repost bots are going to make bank on r/mildlyinteresting and other viral subs
Imo gold shouldn't effect how we moderate at all. If it obeys the rules then it's good and if it breaks the rules then it's gone. We can't effect who users gold and where but we can continue to effect the quality of the content on this sub via moderation imo.
We could add a rule (or modify rule 2) to be stricter on "karma farming" but what constitutes that is up for debate and we'd be combating "fun" on the sub which I'm very cautious about doing.
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FluffyTrex
Imo gold shouldn't effect how we moderate at all. If it obeys the rules then it's good and if it breaks the rules then it's gone. We can't effect who users gold and where but we can continue to effect the quality of the content on this sub via moderation imo.
We could add a rule (or modify rule 2) to be stricter on "karma farming" but what constitutes that is up for debate and we'd be combating "fun" on the sub which I'm very cautious about doing.
The Catch-22 is that we already have a No Monezitation rule, which enforced would mean that every gilded post should be removed, which is ridiculous. That's why there needs to be a discussion on the topic as Reddit has forced everyone's hands.
Rough_Willow
The Catch-22 is that we already have a No Monezitation rule, which enforced would mean that every gilded post should be removed, which is ridiculous. That's why there needs to be a discussion on the topic as Reddit has forced everyone's hands.
They'll have a trophy on their profile I believe. But we absolutely can't treat them differently to normal Reddit users or we're basically going to war with Reddit imo
7:16 AM
So whatever rules we enforce need to be the same standard for all
7:16 AM
I mean we could just remove the first sentence.
7:18 AM
Again making a "no karma farming" rule could be separate but I'm not at this point convinced it's needed. As long as content is Rule 2 compliant it should be fine.
Hipz
This gold thing is so frustrating tbh. There's just so many different ways it can play out and effect the entire site. "Karma Farming" is about to be an entirely different level.
Hey... Gosh getting info has been sort of an uphill battle. We (not just me) will have some contact with Radmins in the context of this gold thing. I'm hopeful that this can expand into a better relationship and more questions being answered... Short version, there may be an opportune moment to pose several questions and I would gladly include this one. But it's not like we have a lot of back and forth currently.(edited)
For sure i understand it would probably be a touchy subject they wouldn't be likely forthcoming with that information... Just as a frequent poster and such I can say I'm pretty confident we have been quarantined away from r/all and r/popular..
Not even sure what good an answer to that question would really do? Not like they would suddenly lift it if it's been in place for this long.
Honestly... My perception of Reddit is that... (And this is me speaking) it's a smaller and more segmented/compartmentalized organization then you might think. It's entirely possible that the people who we engage with about gold are not at all familiar with analytics or metrics
8:10 PM
But I definitely am hopeful personally that we're able to develop some better connections(edited)
It says on the FAQ we have no choice, that everyone will be opted in eventually. Maybe this is then trying to get people to volunteer for early access?
FluffyTrex
It says on the FAQ we have no choice, that everyone will be opted in eventually. Maybe this is then trying to get people to volunteer for early access?
We're already in the program. In return we have a direct line with Reddit admins to have questions answered and try to have things go/develop as best they can.
We're in Reddit's house and they're making an unavoidable change. It's best to adapt with the times than fight the inevitable imo.
Definitely check this thread out and drop any questions you'd want passed into admins:
https://discord.com/channels/1098133959843512320/1163853760733392996
gamestop-discussion channel if you're morbidly interested. Apparently it's corporate/RC's fault for the employee carrying the gun and not...just...Florida having everyone conceal carrying everywhere, and glorifying castle doctrine.
been a couple mentions recently actually... came across the Dumb money writers in an interview mentioning superstonk and their desire to display facts as presented first.
I honestly don't think the community posts really even get seen by the community any more. I remember when they used to get 1000 upvotes in a few hours, easy. Now, even though the sub still has a lot of active people, I think people just gloss over the pinned stuff.
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8:15 AM
But, the message that this isn't our program seems to at least be clear, so that's something.
8:15 AM
Unsurprisingly, the sentiment is "I don't like this"
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luma44
I honestly don't think the community posts really even get seen by the community any more. I remember when they used to get 1000 upvotes in a few hours, easy. Now, even though the sub still has a lot of active people, I think people just gloss over the pinned stuff.
It'll be added to the Fireside Chat this weekend & I'll link back to your post for clarification.
Double the effort, the Fireside seems to get insane views when it's pinned
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Caffeine & Ketamine
It'll be added to the Fireside Chat this weekend & I'll link back to your post for clarification.
Double the effort, the Fireside seems to get insane views when it's pinned
I am all for it. I think those fireside chats are really valuable
9:22 AM
Can I make a humble suggestion that you can take or leave at your own discretion?
9:25 AM
@Hipz and I got our start doing the "the daily stonk" back in the day after rensole left. What was fun about it was that it was positive - sharing recap best of stuff. Best DD. Best memes. Best/positive stuff that came up that day. The fireside chat doesn't need to follow that format... But it doesn't have to be all serious either. Maybe the SCC can add some shout outs to the best DD/memes of the week in a "in case you missed it" sort of format.
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9:26 AM
Entirely up to you. But I'm a fan of fun, despite what you might think based on the content I put out
I would love to do the daily stonk again and make an easily digestible recap post for busy apes... Alas, the format and mod involvement in such a thing became pretty toxic/contaminated after rensole left. Again, a humble suggestion that you're free to ignore(edited)
I don't know but honestly it was my all time favorite prank because the media site could have fixed it at any time, but were clearly too tech illiterate to do so.
We had to establish if it was his asshole or a stock photo of some non asshole that looked like an asshole - because of it was his it needed to be nsfw and if it wasn't an asshole... Anyway... We went down the rabbit hole of asshole identification.
@Hipz and I got our start doing the "the daily stonk" back in the day after rensole left. What was fun about it was that it was positive - sharing recap best of stuff. Best DD. Best memes. Best/positive stuff that came up that day. The fireside chat doesn't need to follow that format... But it doesn't have to be all serious either. Maybe the SCC can add some shout outs to the best DD/memes of the week in a "in case you missed it" sort of format.
So I’ve been looking through the comments on the FINRA Arbitrator post, and it’s filled with toxicity mainly coming from PP Show/BBBY brigaders. The post itself is educational and helpful imo
I know (and agree with) being inclusive, but I am having trouble seeing the value in letting that toxicity have a voice on the sub, especially when it’s turning to literal harassment. To any onlookers, they think it’s us being shitty when every vocal account I’ve seen posting has PP and BBBY posts/comments, and only seem to come out of the woodwork to harass and detract from good discussion
What is the take of the moderation team on this? And others in SCC too?
My POV: I’m really starting to think a firmer stance is needed. I don’t see value in letting that fester and grow, and pretending it isn’t there really isn’t a solution either(edited)
Arriving late. Here are my thoughts: First there was a call out post (prove a negative or sus). It got taken down for good reason. Then Plat put up a post that was both education and tongue in cheek bitchslap—I’ll raise your Call Out with facts/information that highlight your stupidity. PP/Towel actors throw a temper tantrum in a GME sub. As far as I’m concerned it’s a honey pot. Tomorrow is Monday and the weekend will be over. Did I miss anything?
Rough_Willow
They don't seem to be engaging in good faith. I don't think I can put together an argument for keeping them here.
So I’ve been looking through the comments on the FINRA Arbitrator post, and it’s filled with toxicity mainly coming from PP Show/BBBY brigaders. The post itself is educational and helpful imo
I know (and agree with) being inclusive, but I am having trouble seeing the value in letting that toxicity have a voice on the sub, especially when it’s turning to literal harassment. To any onlookers, they think it’s us being shitty when every vocal account I’ve seen posting has PP and BBBY posts/comments, and only seem to come out of the woodwork to harass and detract from good discussion
What is the take of the moderation team on this? And others in SCC too?
My POV: I’m really starting to think a firmer stance is needed. I don’t see value in letting that fester and grow, and pretending it isn’t there really isn’t a solution either (edited)
Send them to the shadow realm.
This is my personal opinion, but I don't value the opinions of people who's initial view is to be a shitbag without substance.
I understand shitposting, I understand making a point and being a bit sarcastic, but when you're just a dick, I have no interest in having any kind of discussion.
There's a common denominator with these bbby/ppshow folks, and it's that their entire intention is to be a troll. If you take a few moments to scroll through that circle of hell called a sub, you'll see that they mirror amcstock style tinfoil hopium with no real substance. Harassment, slander, and trolling is their primary weapon of choice.
Fuck em.
I'm an honest, blunt person but I'm also capable of being objective. I'll call out people when they're wrong and Plat doesn't deserve this level of BS.
Idc if they hold GME or not, this sub isn't some half assed clowncar.
Superstonk is a billion dollar collective of individuals who are here for the squeeze and to make legitimate changes to our financial markets. Not a frat house for finance bros
It's amazing when you merely essentially say "hey there's no evidence so we're just going to play it safe and maintain the rules of the sub, but this can be a place you talk about it", you get downvoted and dragged through the mud for it.
These towel/teddy people are really becoming a pain in the ass(edited)
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8:32 PM
Tinfoil isn't fact... yet they demand it be respected as such
Yeah it sucks that people lost money and I wouldn't tell anyone to buy or sell anything, but when I see so much misinformation spread everywhere.. I mean I tried to talk about the Feb docs in the bbby discord and they kicked me out for saying it was dilution
8:34 PM
So I talked about it on Twitter ♀️
Caffeine & Ketamine
Tinfoil isn't fact... yet they demand it be respected as such
If there ever were to be an actual RC connection then we'd have to reconsider but at that point he already sold it all, so we figured we'd make that a megathread. There were plenty of posts like that before that
"The sub should be free to talk it out" is almost always "my idea is garbage but I want my brigade to make it look reasonably respected" in my experience.
I am not a sub mod, and drink paint. I am best ignored.
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Lairian -Flairy Type-
"The sub should be free to talk it out" is almost always "my idea is garbage but I want my brigade to make it look reasonably respected" in my experience.
I am not a sub mod, and drink paint. I am best ignored.
One thing I find absolutely hilarious are the comments who demand that towel stock should be allowed to be open season on a GME sub, without censorship....while in the very same breath demanding Plat be censored on multiple platforms from stating mere factual evidence and demanding that tinfoil hopium not be presented as reality...
The hypocrisy is hilarious and severely saddening
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TiberiusWoodwind
“Sub should talk it out” = “I have a hunch and I desperately hope someone else has evidence”
I think there’s a contingent of GME holders live with a belief that because they own GME, they are geniuses. One good idea they copied off someone else translates into everything they do is brilliant.
Honestly not really sure what to say of all this. Going nuts with the ban hammer seems over-zealous. I don't want to say superstonk should be exactly how i think it should be, but i still stand against censorship. I would LIKE this place to be for discussions and learning. Which i don't think is very controversial. I also don't think there aren't bad actors out there that do deserve the ban hammer... Just trying to issue a warning not to go to crazy with the censorship or you might as well just hit the mute button on the remote until this party kicks off..
I wanna avoid calling this place an echo-chamber but you don't see too many dissenting opinions here, it's mostly the same flavor. So here is mine ♂️
Should also put that while i don't think anyone deserves hate or to be shit on here, when you sign up as a mod your signing up to be a figure-head and trolls are unavoidable in this day and age. They don't need much to go with and run.
To try and steer the conversation away from this stupid drama....
i'll bring this up because i would like to know more about the contingency plan for when MOASS starts? What is the plan the mods have in place in how to respond? Seems like a good issue for transparencies sake so the community isn't caught off guard.
Waitingonawait
Honestly not really sure what to say of all this. Going nuts with the ban hammer seems over-zealous. I don't want to say superstonk should be exactly how i think it should be, but i still stand against censorship. I would LIKE this place to be for discussions and learning. Which i don't think is very controversial. I also don't think there aren't bad actors out there that do deserve the ban hammer... Just trying to issue a warning not to go to crazy with the censorship or you might as well just hit the mute button on the remote until this party kicks off..
I wanna avoid calling this place an echo-chamber but you don't see too many dissenting opinions here, it's mostly the same flavor. So here is mine ♂️
Should also put that while i don't think anyone deserves hate or to be shit on here, when you sign up as a mod your signing up to be a figure-head and trolls are unavoidable in this day and age. They don't need much to go with and run.
To try and steer the conversation away from this stupid drama....
i'll bring this up because i would like to know more about the contingency plan for when MOASS starts? What is the plan the mods have in place in how to respond? Seems like a good issue for transparencies sake so the community isn't caught off guard.
I appreciate you speaking your mind Wait. Let me respond to some of your points individually so I don't accidentally ignore anything:
Superstonk is certainly for discussions and learning, do you have any examples where it isn't? I'm a little confused. /gen
We're very selective with the ban hammer despite any memeing you might see from us. Temp bans are handed out to anyone that has a drop of good faith. All appeals are also seriously considered.
Certainly we need the mix of opinions, even if it puts you in the minority in a discussion. Should the majority have confidence in their position they should be able to reason their side without issue!
While being a figurehead can put you in the spotlight. Should trolls or bad faith individuals come out of the woodwork it only makes them stand out in a good faith community. It's part of our responsibility to uphold Rules 1 & 5 no matter who they're directed all at (sorry to state the obvious, just responding).
MOASS plan as far as I understand it is to continue as we do. Our moderation rules shouldn't need to change. Our subreddit filters prevent spam/randoms flooding in. While the amount we need to moderate will probably go exponentially up we'll still have the time to discuss and determine actions on the fly. Since none of us can be certain of the fallout of MOASS on the sub making a "step by step" plan is likely planning for failure.
That wasn't meant to be an accusation that it wasn't. I can understand where all the bobby hate comes from, and can't say i disagree with censoring it out to some extent. Or to shit on people here. There are quite a few wrinkles in this discord and i enjoy reading the comments for the most part.
Also wasn't meant as saying you guys are out of control right now... Just voicing concerns at some of the other comments.
I bring up the plan just because of a private conversation with a mod where it was discussed about bringing it to the SCC as i understand there is a plan in place... Not saying the plan will go according to plan... but not planning at all is planning for failure. At such a critical point, i'd feel better knowing mods had an idea at least of what kind of actions they would take to deal with the sudden influx of posts and visibility. Not as if you guys don't already have your hands full.
although thinking more on it the karma requirements set in place should really help with that.. Less people making fresh accounts and posting simple questions... I still imagine there will be an influx of subs and people who do have karma.
I'm also a pretty firm believer that once things kick off the government will step into this sub publicly to maybe shut things down so there's no communicating between individual shareholders... so choices and plans may be entirely irrelevant. Still can't say i don't support having one, in case they don't.
Waitingonawait
Honestly not really sure what to say of all this. Going nuts with the ban hammer seems over-zealous. I don't want to say superstonk should be exactly how i think it should be, but i still stand against censorship. I would LIKE this place to be for discussions and learning. Which i don't think is very controversial. I also don't think there aren't bad actors out there that do deserve the ban hammer... Just trying to issue a warning not to go to crazy with the censorship or you might as well just hit the mute button on the remote until this party kicks off..
I wanna avoid calling this place an echo-chamber but you don't see too many dissenting opinions here, it's mostly the same flavor. So here is mine ♂️
Should also put that while i don't think anyone deserves hate or to be shit on here, when you sign up as a mod your signing up to be a figure-head and trolls are unavoidable in this day and age. They don't need much to go with and run.
To try and steer the conversation away from this stupid drama....
i'll bring this up because i would like to know more about the contingency plan for when MOASS starts? What is the plan the mods have in place in how to respond? Seems like a good issue for transparencies sake so the community isn't caught off guard.
Usually I'd be right there, but this isn't a case of censorship, this is a case of applying the rules. Other stocks don't get a focus unless their connection to GME can be clearly defined and recent. Furthermore, there's quite a few brigadiers who want sub rules enforced outside of Reddit. Individuals are free to do and talk about what they enjoy outside of our sub, this includes mods. While I think it's not wise to kick the drama llama, that's up to each individual. It's unfortunate that these users are stuck in the five stages of grief, but this sub isn't a suitable place for them to receive a support group.
censoring: examine (a book, movie, etc.) officially and suppress unacceptable parts of it. Not arguing the case that there shouldn't be some censorship, given its ability to divert funds away from GME in the past.. Just issuing a word of caution about going nuts with banning people for good. There are rules to this, i get that. Rule 1 is the most important. Be kind to each other. These 'people' got fucked over by the same system fucking us over, how is that not a connection?
It'd be a connection if we were a support group for people who can't pull out. We're not though. They need to process their grief elsewhere.
Waitingonawait
censoring: examine (a book, movie, etc.) officially and suppress unacceptable parts of it. Not arguing the case that there shouldn't be some censorship, given its ability to divert funds away from GME in the past.. Just issuing a word of caution about going nuts with banning people for good. There are rules to this, i get that. Rule 1 is the most important. Be kind to each other. These 'people' got fucked over by the same system fucking us over, how is that not a connection?
Hey Wait. I really appreciate your thoughts. As the newest kid added to the team, I came into modship with the angle that bans and censorship was a little too much. I too like the grit of Reddit and believe people should speak their views. I miss proof or ban.
I rode Bobby to the end. I bought the absolute peak @34 a share AH. Legend and held to bankruptcy.
I see what you're saying. It has been difficult to wade through the grey of Bobby posts and maintain a true GME sub. I've advocated for less censorship. The grey is super hard to navigate. I think the mod team did a decent job.
Also - when the ban hammer comes out, I've questioned mod actions and chatted with them about the bans. I too was angry that my fellow mods were being personally attacked. We sifted through all the bans and had to make hard decisions with the option to appeal for everyone who was banned. It's been a tough process.
Just wanted to let ya know that your message resonated with me. I get ya.
7:14 AM
Regarding bans, in the end, the users who got them definitely deserved them(edited)
There's a difference between censoring and having a zero tolerance for slander and targeted harassment...
I think it's as simple as that.
Nobody is censoring towel investors, this just isn't the place for them.
Unless they can show a direct correlation, backed by evidence, to GME, then I don't see why we need to appease people who are overly aggressive because they can't follow rules and are insecure in their own investments
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7:16 AM
Sure utilize warnings first, but as someone who has created and run Discords with thousands of users for Chel communities, I'm well aware that most people who are disingenuous, don't care for warnings and only respond to punishments a
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Skytoph
Hey Wait. I really appreciate your thoughts. As the newest kid added to the team, I came into modship with the angle that bans and censorship was a little too much. I too like the grit of Reddit and believe people should speak their views. I miss proof or ban.
I rode Bobby to the end. I bought the absolute peak @34 a share AH. Legend and held to bankruptcy.
I see what you're saying. It has been difficult to wade through the grey of Bobby posts and maintain a true GME sub. I've advocated for less censorship. The grey is super hard to navigate. I think the mod team did a decent job.
Also - when the ban hammer comes out, I've questioned mod actions and chatted with them about the bans. I too was angry that my fellow mods were being personally attacked. We sifted through all the bans and had to make hard decisions with the option to appeal for everyone who was banned. It's been a tough process.
Just wanted to let ya know that your message resonated with me. I get ya.
I appreciate the mental fortitude it takes to be able to sift through that kind of stuff and make these calls. Troll farms are real things and this most certainly would be a target. I hope i didn't sound like i was being harsh on you guys, i do very much respect you for what you have to go through. I'm also not exactly questioning some of the bans. Harassing mods isn't acceptable behavior either.. Mods = people too..
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Waitingonawait
I appreciate the mental fortitude it takes to be able to sift through that kind of stuff and make these calls. Troll farms are real things and this most certainly would be a target. I hope i didn't sound like i was being harsh on you guys, i do very much respect you for what you have to go through. I'm also not exactly questioning some of the bans. Harassing mods isn't acceptable behavior either.. Mods = people too..
Not harsh at all. Truly awesome to have your honest opinion. Keep it coming. We need it.
7:19 AM
And thank you
7:19 AM
There have been some wicked hard times for sure
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Waitingonawait
I appreciate the mental fortitude it takes to be able to sift through that kind of stuff and make these calls. Troll farms are real things and this most certainly would be a target. I hope i didn't sound like i was being harsh on you guys, i do very much respect you for what you have to go through. I'm also not exactly questioning some of the bans. Harassing mods isn't acceptable behavior either.. Mods = people too..
Hey Wait. Please don't EVER feel like you are overstepping or attacking how we do things. So far every arguement you have brought to the table has been presented in a calm and reasoned matter. A few people have expressed to me privately how hard it is being the minority voice in this server.
We really value your input.
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7:59 AM
For instance, @Rough_Willow has been a huge pain in my ass since I've become a mod (always poking us about justifying how we do things inconsistency or our overall lack of transparency). Their presence in this server has allowed us to start to change some things (like consistent banning policies or explaining our reasoning a bit more).
Lyrad (Crybad)
For instance, @Rough_Willow has been a huge pain in my ass since I've become a mod (always poking us about justifying how we do things inconsistency or our overall lack of transparency). Their presence in this server has allowed us to start to change some things (like consistent banning policies or explaining our reasoning a bit more).
Also @Waitingonawait, I'm going to try to get an anon survey up soon for everyone. We are reaching the 45 day mark where we were going to bring some more SCC members on. We are really interested in what we can do to improve this experience.
We have some VERY vocal people and it's hard to have the minority opinion sometimes in this server of extremely passionate people. *looks over at @TiberiusWoodwind *
I'm not trying to call anyone out.. Getting more people on board would be great. Honestly discord seems to be a much safer place to have open conversations about things and get objective opinions.. in some cases at least...
Honestly i just don't have a lot of self-confidence when it comes to a lot of things, other than GME, and always doubt myself and views. Because a lot of the time i'm gonna be wrong when i'm learning as i go. The encouragment to continue speaking is appreciated. I may end up stepping back a little at some point, for mental health reasons. Like I said before it's why i respect you guys so much because for me mentally it's just too much. As someone once pointed out to me i'm either 100% or 0% when it comes to something. Really just trying work on balancing things in my life better. Think i'm getting off track here so i'll just say thanks to mods and everyone on the crew, including tibby.(edited)
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Waitingonawait
I'm not trying to call anyone out.. Getting more people on board would be great. Honestly discord seems to be a much safer place to have open conversations about things and get objective opinions.. in some cases at least...
Honestly i just don't have a lot of self-confidence when it comes to a lot of things, other than GME, and always doubt myself and views. Because a lot of the time i'm gonna be wrong when i'm learning as i go. The encouragment to continue speaking is appreciated. I may end up stepping back a little at some point, for mental health reasons. Like I said before it's why i respect you guys so much because for me mentally it's just too much. As someone once pointed out to me i'm either 100% or 0% when it comes to something. Really just trying work on balancing things in my life better. Think i'm getting off track here so i'll just say thanks to mods and everyone on the crew, including tibby. (edited)
I got some of it i think.. i might've been out of line. I also wasn't aware at the time of the accusations made so the context of the post was lost on me completely.
I try to make examples that get them thinking, but it's often crude. But hey, I'm trying!
Waitingonawait
I got some of it i think.. i might've been out of line. I also wasn't aware at the time of the accusations made so the context of the post was lost on me completely.
Also @Waitingonawait, I'm going to try to get an anon survey up soon for everyone. We are reaching the 45 day mark where we were going to bring some more SCC members on. We are really interested in what we can do to improve this experience.
We have some VERY vocal people and it's hard to have the minority opinion sometimes in this server of extremely passionate people. *looks over at @TiberiusWoodwind *
Hey everyone! Things have been surprisingly peaceful / calm the last week. Just wanted to check in and see how everyones doing. Also, any questions/comments/concerns you would like to discuss?
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Hipz
Hey everyone! Things have been surprisingly peaceful / calm the last week. Just wanted to check in and see how everyones doing. Also, any questions/comments/concerns you would like to discuss?
How are the SCC feeling population wise?
Add more frens?
Open invite of X, SCC vets?
SCC hand invites?
Mix?
Anyone feeling burnout as the million reports scroll past?
I think we could definitely use some new friends! I have at least one user in mind to take a look at these things. As for the reports, I don't see a lot that actually need discussion right now, but I do see a lot of report abuse. Can report abuse be reported?
I think we could definitely use some new friends! I have at least one user in mind to take a look at these things. As for the reports, I don't see a lot that actually need discussion right now, but I do see a lot of report abuse. Can report abuse be reported?
Definitely a good idea. I'll reach out to them now and see if its reportable or not
Lairian -Flairy Type-
How are the SCC feeling population wise?
Add more frens?
Open invite of X, SCC vets?
SCC hand invites?
Mix?
Anyone feeling burnout as the million reports scroll past?
Purge the inactives bring in new well known.
Reports are pretty calm, nothing major.
I agree with Willow a lot of report abuse and people just utilizing it in bad faith
Hipz
Also, feel free to mention anyone you think would be good for the SCC team!!
I think that FDAz would be a good addition to the SCC team.
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Rough_Willow
I think we could definitely use some new friends! I have at least one user in mind to take a look at these things. As for the reports, I don't see a lot that actually need discussion right now, but I do see a lot of report abuse. Can report abuse be reported?
So yes... but it's clunky. Reddit hasn't built a good feature for it so it's only usable half the time or we'd risk incidents getting caught in the crossfire. We try to really only use the function for egregious report abuse (slurs, harassment etc.)(edited)
FluffyTrex
So yes... but it's clunky. Reddit hasn't built a good feature for it so it's only usable half the time or we'd risk incidents getting caught in the crossfire. We try to really only use the function for egregious report abuse (slurs, harassment etc.) (edited)
Might be something that is still worth talking about. Even if we brought this together as a community post that there are bad faith reports taking place. Maybe a request for members to be mindful that the report button isn't a "I don't want to see this post" function. Go over the multiple ways users can hide posts or users they don't want to see? I'm just spitballing at this point though.
Hipz
Hey everyone! Things have been surprisingly peaceful / calm the last week. Just wanted to check in and see how everyones doing. Also, any questions/comments/concerns you would like to discuss?
I think we could definitely use some new friends! I have at least one user in mind to take a look at these things. As for the reports, I don't see a lot that actually need discussion right now, but I do see a lot of report abuse. Can report abuse be reported?
Yes, report abuse can be easily reported... But... It's definitely something we treat gently. We've found that reddit almost always bans accounts that reported the post (even if there are some legitimate reports in there).(edited)
9:10 AM
So for instance, let's say you have somebody who's upset about a post do the self-harm reason. I don't know why people think that's funny but it's a thing. We don't get to see the Reddit self harm. But then you also have somebody report unsure but it seems sus. And you have another person who reports no brigading because DOP often participates in another sub. So now you have three reports. Maybe the first report was done in bad faith. Clearly it's not self-harm. But the other two may have been legitimate attempts to alert the mod team that we should review the post. If we reported report abuse it would be all or nothing and our experiences that read it would take action on all three reporters.
9:11 AM
So can it be done? Yes. Is it easy? Yes. But we only do it when it's egregious
9:11 AM
And typically only when there's one egregious report(edited)
Thanks for the heads up. That won't be permitted on superstonk. No matter how anybody feels about the BBBY play or community, nobody should be mocked and no sub should be brigaded. Please report any instances(s) you come across early and often.
Stonkyagraha has been invited to the SCC after we identified them as a moderator candidate and they applied to be a mod. While they weren't voted into the mod team this time round they were highlighted as an excellent community member. We therefore extended an invitation to the SCC to them as they'll surely be a great voice for the community.
Stonkyagraha has been invited to the SCC after we identified them as a moderator candidate and they applied to be a mod. While they weren't voted into the mod team this time round they were highlighted as an excellent community member. We therefore extended an invitation to the SCC to them as they'll surely be a great voice for the community.
Same. I really hope it's a combo of zen and finding niche places to hang out.
I try not to pay too much attention to the worries. I'm also guilty of being mostly inwardly focused and dealing with health stuff.
Since last night I've been poking around other posts on and off Reddit, including YouTube, anti-NFT sentiment videos, etc. being posted and in the comments is the same song and dance, pointing back to that shitty YouTube video. A lot of the most vocal appear to have a keen insight into the specifics of the GME saga - the anti-NFT comments are a veil for broader meltdowner narrative. There's a lot of circular referencing going on pointing to that video which to the layperson gives it surface credibility
PPs certainly make for excellent straw men. I go back & forth if it’s to discredit GME(apes) by association or whether they are innocent yet useful idiots.
These are the worst agent provocateurs because it's very VERY hard to be certain and hit the ban button, and they're very good at getting apes to break Rule 1, which drives the mods compromised narrative.
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Lairian -Flairy Type-
These are the worst agent provocateurs because it's very VERY hard to be certain and hit the ban button, and they're very good at getting apes to break Rule 1, which drives the mods compromised narrative.
At some point I just have to assume some degree of capitulation, purchased accounts, and siphoning users.
The alternative is losing a lot of faith in common sense levels.
Those upvote counts on the conclusion jumps do seem to be an odd contradiction to the most visible comments which explain the context. It does look a bit unnatural.
kibs
Yeah that Bobby king of the hill one has been a real honeypot
Every since that Gamestop post on r/pics went up its been a massive call for trolls to hit Superstonk.
Correlation doesn't equal causation, but..... its pretty weird
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Those upvote counts on the conclusion jumps do seem to be an odd contradiction to the most visible comments which explain the context. It does look a bit unnatural.
Especially if brigading is happening off site (as in off reddit) it's really difficult for us to prove anything. This is not to say that you're not right by the way. This is simply to say it's not uncommon for there to be a community of people who share a post and then start dog piling on the comments without really realizing that that is textbook brigading. It's a far simpler explanation for what looks like coordinated action... It's just a bunch of people who get into a feedback loop with themselves. Some discord group or Twitter chat(edited)
3:55 PM
That being said if the post needs to go or if we need to escort some accounts out the door... So be it. Feel free to tag anybody that you think warrants a second look
3:56 PM
At this point it's been pretty well established that if you're coming to superstonk only to discuss BBBY that there's no market for you to participate in.(edited)
The only reason I'm outspoken is because I'm able to see what's happening here.
I love this sub and it sucks seeing this.
Also I don't want to overstep.
I'm not a mod, I understand my role as SCC, but when you see how the sausage is made, it gives you perspective, so just let me know if I'm doing too much here or what's going on, on your guys end
At this point it's been pretty well established that if you're coming to superstonk only to discuss BBBY that there's no market for you to participate in. (edited)
So interestingly... we've turned up our reddit-given safety features
4:12 PM
And stuff like this is getting snagged:
4:12 PM
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Lairian -Flairy Type-
These are the worst agent provocateurs because it's very VERY hard to be certain and hit the ban button, and they're very good at getting apes to break Rule 1, which drives the mods compromised narrative.
Sealioning (also sea-lioning and sea lioning) is a type of trolling or harassment that consists of pursuing people with relentless requests for evidence, often tangential or previously addressed, while maintaining a pretense of civility and sincerity ("I'm just trying to have a debate"), and feigning ignorance of the subject matter. It may take ...
"I'm just asking questions!"
"Can you prove that? You seem confident."
"That doesn't seem like enough reason to say that. What if...?"
Usually comes with shifting the burden of proof, shifting goal posts, and never accepting the thread closing. The goal is to annoy until they snap, then play victim.
For me it really boils down to this and I think other mods will probably agree. We definitely appreciate the fact that there are people who hold GameStop stock and also hold other similar stocks. AMC and BBBY have similar investors, really. At the end of the day I would not be surprised if there was a significant overlap. But it's a matter of two things:
Purpose: We have tried not to be ambiguous about the purpose and focus of superstonk. While it is true that we followed RC into his play with BBBY with slightly more tolerance the first time, We are unabashedly GME. So people who come here trying to bring other tickers even if there is shared DNA with the community is violating our structure. That violation is unwelcome - otherwise we lose our identity and become another Wall Street bets or RC sub or something else. People should make such a sub if there's a demand for it. We will always support a GME centric sub.
Accepting information: people need to be able to accept information in good faith. What I see from many of these brigaders is an unwillingness to assimilate new information. They find it a lot easier to go through the cognitive dissonance mental gymnastics of there being some massive truth that we are hiding or obscuring and it makes them feel very combative towards the sub and the mod team. I wish that they left space for more criticism of BBBY in BBby centric communities and that there was a willingness to assimilate new information instead of continuing to double and triple down without proof. This is not to say that GME investors are so great about assimilating bad information either, But we don't ban people for being bearish if they bring evidence. We band people for doing critical without data. It's just as harmful to be steadfast and bullish without data.
So that's my beef with these guys. They don't respect the culture that we have as a community and they're unwilling to listen.
Just figure out a topic people are split on then convince them that one of those sides will cause moass and then accuse the other side of being shills. Then sit back and let it go
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TiberiusWoodwind
Just figure out a topic people are split on then convince them that one of those sides will cause moass and then accuse the other side of being shills. Then sit back and let it go
These people purposefully set up the SMRT teams willingness to respond to people, and make it seem like they're in on some gran conspiracy for towel.
It's so fucked up
I don't get how that connection is even made by significant numbers though. Now correct me if I'm wrong because it was ages ago and I was only half paying attention but this is the timeline that makes sense in my head.
1. RC invested a very large sum.
2. He tried making suggestions for a turnaround.
3. Suggestions fell on deaf ears.
4. He some luck assist a well timed (but probably inevitable divestment)
Where does the justification that there is a remote possibility that it is good idea even come from?
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stonkyagraha
I don't get how that connection is even made by significant numbers though. Now correct me if I'm wrong because it was ages ago and I was only half paying attention but this is the timeline that makes sense in my head.
1. RC invested a very large sum.
2. He tried making suggestions for a turnaround.
3. Suggestions fell on deaf ears.
4. He some luck assist a well timed (but probably inevitable divestment)
Where does the justification that there is a remote possibility that it is good idea even come from?
Because like there's these papers and his name is on them, so therefore.....insert whatever hopium you want here
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stonkyagraha
I don't get how that connection is even made by significant numbers though. Now correct me if I'm wrong because it was ages ago and I was only half paying attention but this is the timeline that makes sense in my head.
1. RC invested a very large sum.
2. He tried making suggestions for a turnaround.
3. Suggestions fell on deaf ears.
4. He some luck assist a well timed (but probably inevitable divestment)
Where does the justification that there is a remote possibility that it is good idea even come from?
Because, some folks bet big on bbby over a year ago and took a big L. Then along comes a YouTube channel that gives them hope. Youtuber gets to prey on their hope the same way televangelists do.
“the lord just needs $18m dollars to build this mega church so we can spread our message world wide and you’ll go to heaven, send it to me now”
“we just need to read 18 more dockets to come up with a new strategy that will see the company saved and you get paid, thank you for your donation”.
Of course it’s all nonsense. They don’t believe in bbbyq getting saved any more than the guy on tv thinks he’s going to heaven. But they need people to believe in it who will keep donating. The televangelist says anyone who disagrees with them is immoral and driven by Satan. PP says they are shill plants. They have special meet ups for the most devoted that cost an entry fee. The followers have likely never actually read the literature themselves because it’s easier to listen to the guy on the screen give his interpretation.
It’s the same fuckin song and dance.
Because, some folks bet big on bbby over a year ago and took a big L. Then along comes a YouTube channel that gives them hope. Youtuber gets to prey on their hope the same way televangelists do.
“the lord just needs $18m dollars to build this mega church so we can spread our message world wide and you’ll go to heaven, send it to me now”
“we just need to read 18 more dockets to come up with a new strategy that will see the company saved and you get paid, thank you for your donation”.
Of course it’s all nonsense. They don’t believe in bbbyq getting saved any more than the guy on tv thinks he’s going to heaven. But they need people to believe in it who will keep donating. The televangelist says anyone who disagrees with them is immoral and driven by Satan. PP says they are shill plants. They have special meet ups for the most devoted that cost an entry fee. The followers have likely never actually read the literature themselves because it’s easier to listen to the guy on the screen give his interpretation.
It’s the same fuckin song and dance.
"The whole community"
You mean grifter ppshow people who have bought into the most disgusting low tier level of conspiracy hopium, I've ever witnessed in my life?
These people have taken basket theory and turned it into a religion.
9:45 PM
Towel equals Gme(edited)
9:46 PM
GME = GME(edited)
9:46 PM
They're taking a fucking Twitter marketing team and acting like it's this gospel.
These people need help
9:46 PM
Like legitimate mental health help
9:47 PM
Also, it's mind blowing how within hours of this happening, somehow ONE person knows a handful of people were banned.
9:47 PM
I want to know where this is happening to where these people are in lockstep against Superstonk
9:48 PM
"Hey r/Honda fans, I'm offended you won't let me preach the word of r/Toyota here. How dare you suppress my opinions, about how amazing Toyota is, and how you all should ignore Honda."
That's how dumb they sound
I'm just blown away at how sunk these people are into this conspiracy.
Like, I get if there was overwhelming evidence, backed by documentation and data, legal forms and financial filings....but there's nothing.
There's literally nothing there to back it.
I just don't get it.
I don't want to sound equally tinfoil, but folk getting distracted and dug in while throwing money anywhere but GME works out pretty well for shorts who want reduced buy pressure.
Not like retail can apply much buy pressure right now, but still.
Lairian -Flairy Type-
I don't want to sound equally tinfoil, but folk getting distracted and dug in while throwing money anywhere but GME works out pretty well for shorts who want reduced buy pressure.
Not like retail can apply much buy pressure right now, but still.
Honestly, it doesn't sound all that tinfoil. Just like shorts want companies to die - nothing would please them more than our small communities infighting each other to hasten our own demise(s).
I think some of us would be curious to watch them after. Are they making matters worse? Are they inciting others to brigade? I've got a little bothersome feeling that this is a coordinated group but I can't place why I feel that way.
Because it was obvious.
Every wave has a new style.
They're either playing clueless: "I'm just asking questions guys, why is everyone hostile?!"
They're either pushing the boundaries knowingly trying to insight arguments, by utilizing a loophole fallacy.
They set themselves in a situation using an argument that is a lose/lose for anyone within their conversation.
Or
As they did this time around, we're flat out aggressive, trolls, and hostile in their attempts to diminish the integrity of the Sub and those within it. They were demeaning towards GME and were hinting that RC is some Towel Secret Agent.
Skytoph
@luma44 did anyone try reaching out to SMRT ? /gen
I think some of us would be curious to watch them after. Are they making matters worse? Are they inciting others to brigade? I've got a little bothersome feeling that this is a coordinated group but I can't place why I feel that way.
@saxmuffin Just wanted to commend you on your summary comment about the Misleading Title change. I appreciated the concise and descriptive comment outlining why the change was made and what it should be clarified too.
stonkyagraha
This is slightly off topic, but if anyone here wants an invite code to Bluesky I have 5 of them on my stonk account.
I appreciate the call out, but it was the OP welp who reached out for the mod team to correct them based on another user’s feedback. I just double checked and the correction seemed accurate and appropriate. Was a copy pasta
8:25 PM
@Rough_Willow
8:25 PM
One of the instances I wish I could pin users comments to posts
8:26 PM
Tried to make it apparent with the quotes but looking at it there are too many quotes to make it apparent lol(edited)
I'm looking for a shitty article from business insider that misrepresents GME to use as an example in my response to their modmail
10:32 AM
I've been browsing their articles about Gamestop and they aren't really bad... I was hoping to point out some inaccuracies (backed with data) and then ask that if they were to post/comment, that they engage in good faith (either the author or the like)
Lyrad (Crybad)
I'm looking for a shitty article from business insider that misrepresents GME to use as an example in my response to their modmail
The Wall Street Bets-fueled GameStop mania is not the little guy sticking it to the man. It's a bubble where little guys are going to lose their shirts.
This GameStop thing isn't funny; it's stupid
Opinion by Josh Barro
Jan 27, 2021, 4:34 PM MST
A GameStop store on November 27. Brianna Soukup/Portland Press Herald/Getty Images
• For some reason, people are cheering the GameStop bubble as a victory for the retail investors.
• Those retail investors are going to lose their shirts when this bubble pops.
• Disconnecting stock prices from enterprise value leads to stupid outcomes.
• This is an opinion column. The thoughts expressed are those of the author.
• Visit Business Insider's homepage for more stories.
There is this bizarre narrative that the Reddit-driven GameStop stock bubble amounts to a way for ordinary investors to "stick it to the man" by causing some hedge funds to lose money — that those funds have been taught a lesson for selling short. Like GameStop's current share price, this narrative doesn't make any sense.
12:06 PM
As of this writing, GameStop's share price of about $340 gives it a market capitalization of roughly $23 billion. For comparison, Best Buy is worth $29.5 billion. But Best Buy is a far larger enterprise — it has about three times as many employees as GameStop — and more importantly, Best Buy makes money. It earned profits of $1.5 billion in 2019, while GameStop lost $471 million.
The original, putative theory behind the Reddit-driven push to buy GameStop was that the company had a good turnaround plan and would successfully shift to online game sales and start making money again. Whatever the merits of that theory when the markets valued GameStop at less than $1 billion, it's out the window at a market cap of $23 billion. Even with a turnaround and rosy expectations of profits from the GameStop business, the valuation of the company at this point is not justified by business fundamentals.
Retail investors getting caught up in a ridiculous bubble is not a win for the little guy
Given the divorce of the price from the underlying business, GameStop's stock has been turned into a purely speculative asset, like a cryptocurrency.
Read more: How hedge funds are tracking Reddit posts to protect their portfolios after the Wall Street Bets crowd helped tank Melvin Capital's short positions
Yes, some hedge funds lost money, and a lot of retail investors are up, for now. But they can't access those gains until they sell. When they sell, the price of GameStop will fall, and the retail investors who bought late will lose money because there's no fundamental reason for other people to buy in at such a high price.
And why should we assume the net losses on this price roller coaster will accrue to institutional investors? Some shorts got popped with the run-up in GameStop, but a fading, money-losing business with a sudden market cap over $20 billion for no good reason is surely attractive to new short sellers, who will gain as the new retail buyers lose.
If GameStop is overvalued by $20 billion right now, that's $20 billion of losses waiting to accrue, largely to ordinary investors who got caught up in a fad. And while some of the traders have gotten cheered for buying at the top by their internet friends, this is far from a desirable democratization of Wall Street — this is just a new way for regular people to lose their shirts.(edited)
12:06 PM
I am not a salty loser
Before you call me a "crybaby loser" whose short position blew up — as a number of you have been doing on Twitter for the past couple of days — I want to be clear: I don't do any short investing, which is prohibited anyway by Insider policies. This rule is so that I can call you an idiot from a position of objectivity. I have never had any financial interest in GameStop, except for the very small long position I hold because of my ownership of total market index funds. My shirt is not the one getting lost here.
And who decided short selling was a bad thing? Shorts play a valuable role: They help identify companies that aren't worth what they appear to be, so those companies don't waste more of investors' money.
Actually, short selling is good
I realize shorts seem like huge spoilsports and killjoys for betting against the futures of specific businesses. But the purpose of the stock market is to allocate capital to productive businesses so that useful investments are made in the real economy. It doesn't always work perfectly, but fomenting irrational froth in businesses with no fundamental reason to soar in value makes the markets only less effective at that goal, while short campaigns against overvalued companies make it more effective.
"Short sellers have alerted us to problems in companies before the government and others did, like at Enron," said Jason Furman, a professor of practice of economic policy at Harvard and former chairman of President Barack Obama's Council of Economic Advisers.
Shorts more recently helped reveal the financial fraud at Wirecard — over the objection of German regulators who defended the payments company when short sellers accused it of accounting shenanigans.
If you want to see what a market without short selling looks like, look at the private markets, which have in recent years blown bubbles public investors wouldn't tolerate, like at WeWork and Theranos. If it had been possible to sell Theranos stock short, maybe it wouldn't have taken a decade to figure out the company didn't have a product.
Not everything should be democratized
I understand people feel frustrated by low interest rates, which mean you can't park money in a risk-free asset and earn a significant return. This encourages investors to seek risk.
But the idea that retail investors have been deprived of the opportunity to make real money through vanilla investments isn't true. If you bought broad stock funds three months ago or a year ago or five years ago, you've done quite nicely. And since the GameStop speculators by definition are people who had some money to put in the stock market, that avenue was available to them. So the idea that these people — bored people with money — are a downtrodden class engaged in a righteous fight against Wall Street just doesn't wash.
The best thing to do to improve returns to vanilla investments that are appropriate for retail investors is to improve the long-run growth of the economy. And I do have one note of sympathy for the investors who complain there's no yield to be had without nonsense like this.
One reason to favor a significant fiscal stimulus package (besides that it will provide relief to the sort of people who don't have money sitting around to throw at Reddit investing trends) is that if it "overheats" the economy — tightening the labor market and causing prices to rise — that might tend to push interest rates up. This is not a switch the Fed itself can just decide to throw; rates are low because growth expectations are low. But boosting demand and output can boost those growth expectations and make higher rates appropriate again.
And in addition to increasing the return on safe assets, a rise in interest rates would, hopefully, take the gas out of investing bubbles, like this especially ridiculous one.(edited)
Good Morning Everyone, robot wizard has a post SEC vs Terraforms posted on a few subs. It was posted on SStonk but there seems to be no activity. Is there an issue? The content seems important. Thanks
Also, UnlikelyApe made a DTCC post and in the comments there is a convo about Jellyfish account being suspended. I know he has his own website now. But maybe someone who knows more could shed some light to prevent run away paranoia. Thanks
sandman11235
Good Morning Everyone, robot wizard has a post SEC vs Terraforms posted on a few subs. It was posted on SStonk but there seems to be no activity. Is there an issue? The content seems important. Thanks
I think I replied to a Modmail about that this morning. They should be able to repost if it was that.
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sandman11235
Also, UnlikelyApe made a DTCC post and in the comments there is a convo about Jellyfish account being suspended. I know he has his own website now. But maybe someone who knows more could shed some light to prevent run away paranoia. Thanks
Everybody ready for the weekend?
I have had some lurker ape friends reach out to me asking what the hell is up with the calls to action to un-DRS shares and sell Cash Secured Puts(edited)
ProgVirus
Everybody ready for the weekend?
I have had some lurker ape friends reach out to me asking what the hell is up with the calls to action to un-DRS shares and sell Cash Secured Puts (edited)
I'm indifferent to it. I think that other opinions are healthy for the subreddit. Neither of those two moves are bearish really and there was a clear intent in buying more shares. I get more skeptical when people start saying there is only one specific way to do things.
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ProgVirus
Everybody ready for the weekend?
I have had some lurker ape friends reach out to me asking what the hell is up with the calls to action to un-DRS shares and sell Cash Secured Puts (edited)
There was a Call to Action post the OP described as such re: selling CSPs
And WOAW’s re: unDRSing
And I’m seeing of comments now echoing both things
8:10 AM
Re: the lurker apes I mentioned, those are some personal friends who both reached out independently last night/this morning asking what the hell was up with the uptick in those post/comments, so that’s anecdotal, but raised some alarm bells in my head as we normally don’t talk GME/Superstonk in detail. They’re not super engaged, neither know each other, but both felt compelled to ask me what was going on, so just treating that as 2 data points
stonkyagraha
I'm indifferent to it. I think that other opinions are healthy for the subreddit. Neither of those two moves are bearish really and there was a clear intent in buying more shares. I get more skeptical when people start saying there is only one specific way to do things.
While I value other opinions too, I don’t believe either of these messages are healthy or even well-researched or articulated. Some of them are speaking in absolutes as well
For example, re: unDRSing, trust with Computershare was brought up as an issue but not at all elaborated on. CS is GameStop’s chosen transfer agent in a business relationship with them. If trust is an issue, good discussion would include ‘why’ they think that, otherwise that in my view just serves as a throwaway justification that I have trouble not seeing as FUD
With CSPs, we literally have OPs saying themselves it is a call to action. I’m not even anti-options per se, but if you’re going to throw out “you MUST do this”, you better have an iron-clad argument as for why. Even DRS isn’t a “must”, but the comments pushing for selling CSPs appear “my way or the highway”(edited)
For better or worse, (and I may be projecting) I don’t see the sub as a whole open to learning new things. People have made up their minds regarding DRS and options. Jack’s amygdala is in the drivers seat now.
We used to pride ourselves on bringing the heat on any thesis, pro or con. It would be debated and talked about and just good old fashioned peer reviewed.
8:54 AM
Now it seems like the DD writers are combative or non-existant in the comment section
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8:55 AM
Think un-DRSing is the way? Great, lets talk about it and let the people make up their own minds?
8:55 AM
Think options is the way to bring back volatility? Post your thesis and lets debate.
Sorry I haven't been around much everyone, bit off a little more than I can chew IRL
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ProgVirus
While I value other opinions too, I don’t believe either of these messages are healthy or even well-researched or articulated. Some of them are speaking in absolutes as well
For example, re: unDRSing, trust with Computershare was brought up as an issue but not at all elaborated on. CS is GameStop’s chosen transfer agent in a business relationship with them. If trust is an issue, good discussion would include ‘why’ they think that, otherwise that in my view just serves as a throwaway justification that I have trouble not seeing as FUD
With CSPs, we literally have OPs saying themselves it is a call to action. I’m not even anti-options per se, but if you’re going to throw out “you MUST do this”, you better have an iron-clad argument as for why. Even DRS isn’t a “must”, but the comments pushing for selling CSPs appear “my way or the highway” (edited)
I agree that calls to action are problematic across a variety of subjects. The message is one thing, and the means is another and both options talk and DRS talk can suffer from it. If trying to manipulate on emotions in either context, definitely not ok.
For the one guy who said he was partially unDRSing, I think you are looking too deeply into his "lack of trust." For me, it did not read as casting shade and necessitating a why. He's using CS primarily, but doesn't trust any entity completely enough to place everything that he has. This is a logically sound conclusion to make even with Gamestop's endorsement given that they are not omniscient nor have the ability to predict the future. Personally I find the general premise of custodian diversification to hold merit adding increased resilience not only on an individual level, but even more importantly on a collective level so that any financially incentivised countermeasures within the vast probability space would have to be increasingly complicated, visible, and difficult to carry out. While his other ideas may need some defending, I think that part speaks for itself implicitly.
stonkyagraha
I agree that calls to action are problematic across a variety of subjects. The message is one thing, and the means is another and both options talk and DRS talk can suffer from it. If trying to manipulate on emotions in either context, definitely not ok.
For the one guy who said he was partially unDRSing, I think you are looking too deeply into his "lack of trust." For me, it did not read as casting shade and necessitating a why. He's using CS primarily, but doesn't trust any entity completely enough to place everything that he has. This is a logically sound conclusion to make even with Gamestop's endorsement given that they are not omniscient nor have the ability to predict the future. Personally I find the general premise of custodian diversification to hold merit adding increased resilience not only on an individual level, but even more importantly on a collective level so that any financially incentivised countermeasures within the vast probability space would have to be increasingly complicated, visible, and difficult to carry out. While his other ideas may need some defending, I think that part speaks for itself implicitly.
Re: CSPs
OP claims this is similar to DRS calls to action, but in my recollection all of those calls that you must DRS were nixed from the sub for being CTA - it was through organic research over many months did individuals in the community conclude it was safe and desirable, so grass-roots. What we’re seeing here is a CTA, a narrative push
ProgVirus
Re: CSPs
OP claims this is similar to DRS calls to action, but in my recollection all of those calls that you must DRS were nixed from the sub for being CTA - it was through organic research over many months did individuals in the community conclude it was safe and desirable, so grass-roots. What we’re seeing here is a CTA, a narrative push
Re: un-DRSing and trust, the impetus/rationale for that post appears to me based on that trust. The trust for CS that took many months of research to build organically, now called into question but not addressed. I am not alone in seeing that as FUD
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stonkyagraha
Would you mind linking to the comment? It's easier to see full context issue reports than screenshots
Ehh that didn’t work as expected, click on ‘Single comment thread’ and few times to get to the top of that discussion (or maybe it did, on browser mobile and experience is bad lmao)(edited)
ProgVirus
Re: un-DRSing and trust, the impetus/rationale for that post appears to me based on that trust. The trust for CS that took many months of research to build organically, now called into question but not addressed. I am not alone in seeing that as FUD
Idk I find that conclusion to believe when a few lines down he's literally talking about buying more via CS. I think his take (just on that specific outlook) is healthy and underrepresented due to self censorship from people during those months.
ProgVirus
Re: un-DRSing and trust, the impetus/rationale for that post appears to me based on that trust. The trust for CS that took many months of research to build organically, now called into question but not addressed. I am not alone in seeing that as FUD
“I do not entirely trust ComputerShare enough to hold all my assets.”
Just so we’re on the same page, this line specifically.
To me it reads pretty clearly verbatim, and also appears to be a change of perspective as they are moving shares out. I read it as calling the trustworthiness of Computershare into question
fwiw I didn’t report or anything, I’d much rather have the discussion than not for onlookers. I don’t see any rules specifically against CTA (maybe rule 9?) but yeah(edited)
ProgVirus
“I do not entirely trust ComputerShare enough to hold all my assets.”
Just so we’re on the same page, this line specifically.
To me it reads pretty clearly verbatim, and also appears to be a change of perspective as they are moving shares out. I read it as calling the trustworthiness of Computershare into question
Ah okay, that's harsh and not very tactical to say. The old adage isn't and doesn't have to be an attack on the thing you're diversifying from, and wording it like that isn't doing anyone any favors.
Quanatee
Ah okay, that's harsh and not very tactical to say. The old adage isn't and doesn't have to be an attack on the thing you're diversifying from, and wording it like that isn't doing anyone any favors.
I think so. I think the author tried to justify the theory and discussion of the mechanisms by bringing up the old saying. But I also think because he believes it might work and personally acted on it- he leaned a bit too hard into it by harshly characterizing ComputerShare. All of which is already going to be hugely opposed because it involves unDRSing, what more the seemingly putting it down to justify looking into this theory.
All this just means a more heated charge about DRS, and I haven't really seen discussion about the theory or mechanisms he's talking about. Which- after reading, has flaws. I don't know about the margin requirements and such, but margins infer that the shares are transferred into the Margin account in your brokerage. This is different from a Cash account, which from my own research has separated terms and conditions and I found clauses in margin accounts brokerages have the ability to liquidate your shares in order to stave of their own bankruptcy. This isn't safe. Let's say even if this theory triggers MOASS, the shares you used to start it could be used to stop it, or cause you to miss out on it. Cash accounts are generally safer.(edited)
11:16 AM
So that's something the post didn't address, but I digress- I would liked to have seem some commentary about the theory itself. But I can understand why it's overshadowed by everything else
Quanatee
I think so. I think the author tried to justify the theory and discussion of the mechanisms by bringing up the old saying. But I also think because he believes it might work and personally acted on it- he leaned a bit too hard into it by harshly characterizing ComputerShare. All of which is already going to be hugely opposed because it involves unDRSing, what more the seemingly putting it down to justify looking into this theory.
All this just means a more heated charge about DRS, and I haven't really seen discussion about the theory or mechanisms he's talking about. Which- after reading, has flaws. I don't know about the margin requirements and such, but margins infer that the shares are transferred into the Margin account in your brokerage. This is different from a Cash account, which from my own research has separated terms and conditions and I found clauses in margin accounts brokerages have the ability to liquidate your shares in order to stave of their own bankruptcy. This isn't safe. Let's say even if this theory triggers MOASS, the shares you used to start it could be used to stop it, or cause you to miss out on it. Cash accounts are generally safer. (edited)
Whether or not he was leaving bread crumbs or not it caused me to look into their filings. They happen to be in XRT as well.. also found an old post about them on r/investing that was interesting. Really not encouraging people to get in bed with someone with ties to Epstein. I also have no idea how corporate bonds work if i'm being honest. But i wouldn't be surprised if there was some shit buried in that for anyone with enough wrinkles. Same goes for McDonalds.
https://www.reddit.com/r/investing/comments/enk8bw/slowmotion_trainwreck_that_is_victorias_secret/
In all fairness i'm really trying to shut up and get off social media. Whats funny is just how much things ramped up negativity wise since i dropped the post about splitting to a 50/50 DRSed position. Doesn't seem entirely justifiable in my eyes, i'm not selling any shares and still believe in Directly registering shares is a very suitable course of action, especially if your a longer term investor. but someone now i'm labelled as being anti-DRS.
It's not like i'm repeatingly spamming that message anymore, i went back to what i was doing before which was just skimming through filings and fintel to look for outlying things.
FFS one of my post sone of the pics the top holding in the company is Schrödinger. Just weird stuff.
You can't say that GME poses a systemic risk if the system is not connected on some level. Iunno. I don't have anything else planned and really just wanna step away till earnings in December. I'm also not really watching this discord but figured i'd caused some conversation here and popped my head in.
Explore this post and more from the Superstonk community
Waitingonawait
Whether or not he was leaving bread crumbs or not it caused me to look into their filings. They happen to be in XRT as well.. also found an old post about them on r/investing that was interesting. Really not encouraging people to get in bed with someone with ties to Epstein. I also have no idea how corporate bonds work if i'm being honest. But i wouldn't be surprised if there was some shit buried in that for anyone with enough wrinkles. Same goes for McDonalds.
https://www.reddit.com/r/investing/comments/enk8bw/slowmotion_trainwreck_that_is_victorias_secret/
In all fairness i'm really trying to shut up and get off social media. Whats funny is just how much things ramped up negativity wise since i dropped the post about splitting to a 50/50 DRSed position. Doesn't seem entirely justifiable in my eyes, i'm not selling any shares and still believe in Directly registering shares is a very suitable course of action, especially if your a longer term investor. but someone now i'm labelled as being anti-DRS.
It's not like i'm repeatingly spamming that message anymore, i went back to what i was doing before which was just skimming through filings and fintel to look for outlying things.
FFS one of my post sone of the pics the top holding in the company is Schrödinger. Just weird stuff.
You can't say that GME poses a systemic risk if the system is not connected on some level. Iunno. I don't have anything else planned and really just wanna step away till earnings in December. I'm also not really watching this discord but figured i'd caused some conversation here and popped my head in.
Whats surprising me is how many views a post on my page is getting while i work with it abit..
12:54 AM
kinda freaking me out tbh
12:56 AM
Honestly i think i sorda got it figured out, as good as i'm gonna get it. Ive said it 100 times so far but i really do plan on stepping away soon. I really do mean it when i say it but i keep pulling myself back into looking at just 1 more thing.
Well, you can recognize the benefits. Trust yourself in the importance of getting help. We're not going anywhere and we can catch you up when you return. If it were me in your situation, I'd take the detox. It'll likely give you a new perspective on things afterwards too.
if you want, we can give you a temp ban for however long you want. I know Superstonk can be addicting, and it wouldn't be the first time someone requested that. We're not going anywhere, so pls feel free to take a break & come back with refreshed eyes. Just let any of the mods know if that's what you want to do, and if not no worries! also, thank you for all your contributions! I love a contrarian view, it makes people rethink why they're doing something, which is always good imo
Platinumsparkles
if you want, we can give you a temp ban for however long you want. I know Superstonk can be addicting, and it wouldn't be the first time someone requested that. We're not going anywhere, so pls feel free to take a break & come back with refreshed eyes. Just let any of the mods know if that's what you want to do, and if not no worries! also, thank you for all your contributions! I love a contrarian view, it makes people rethink why they're doing something, which is always good imo
Appreciate the thought, i should be okay to follow through with it this time. My sister has asked me to go and i listen to her because she loves and cares for me and wouldn't ask me to if she wasn't worried about my behaviors. I can also recognize it myself. I mean ffs i went in and snuck out again so i could keep digging around in this stuff. I've also checked myself in about a few times in the last 2 weeks considering this as an option. But i think with this last post i've hit the finish line so to speak. Or the gas tank has finally hit empty rofl.
Not really sure how it would work but Naomi Klein is a boss would love an AMA with her but it's not exactly related to GME and the markets might not be her area of expertise? I'm just a really big fan of her work and her book has stuck with me. Not sure why i never connected it to Ken Griffin and Chicago... the book was tough to read and stomach but i imagine it was tougher to write...
Thank you again everyone for all your contributions. It's the people that make this whole thing special. I've enjoyed getting to know you all better in this discord.
I'm kind of just killing time right now, need to get a ride and its still 6:30 in the morning. I'll go when people have had time to wake up and such. editting in this: I will pop into discord when i'm out and say hello at least, i use discord for gaming so i'll still be on it even when i get out. I'm not quitting video games rofl.(edited)
Unsure if/when you're planning to look to expand SCC member count, but Rogue Wisdom over on the Discord was asking if we're confident in scaling up as AMA pushing gets worse as launch day approaches. They're interested in joining SCC and helping out if you're willing.
I support doing an AMA with the Mulligan Bros, but is there a reason we are reintroducing this. It has been controversial with the self promotion aspect that gets complained about (often by the HLT contingent) that were also on a DRS witch hunt and calling these guys out.
I don't think Rule 10 makes a distinction between direct and indirect self promotion, but maybe it should. For example, if they wanted to suggest people should watch their movie, that's one thing, but providing links to pay to watch their movie is another. Additionally, their movie was released in March and they want an AMA now? Did they say why?
Personally, I am a fan of erring on the side of more rules and making rare exceptions when an example is exceptional. Otherwise the gray area becomes a harder battleground. It's easier to justify an unprepared allowance than an unprepared takedown imo.
SCC Hat Off: I support updating the rule for a carve out to exclude GameStop and GameStop partners from the no Self-Monetization rule. Additionally, if changes are to be made then I look forward to the community post to get input from those who care to leave a message.(edited)
SCC Hat On:
As we look at updating our rules we need to achieve a higher level of engagement with users expressing what they are or aren't in favor of so that these changes fairly represent our users. What better way to increase community engagement than with a giveaway? When there's a reward (and we give adequate notice it's going to happen) then users are more willing to engage. If a subscribed user with any level of engagement prior to when we start the announcement that there will be a give away makes a top level comment that expresses support of one of the options then they're entered to win. I'd request that we really workshop the post to make sure that the options are clear and have overlap. If it's possible, maybe we could reach out to GameStop and see if they'd be willing to donate some gift cards to give away? Or even writing GameStop partners?
It still may not garner the level of engagement that we'd like, but it should greatly increase the engagement.
I think there's value in tying together some sort of giveaway to bring engagement. Not to rain on your parade, but GameStop proper will probably not want involvement with this sub... And physical giveaways of any kind introduce safety and security risks for people. Shooting from the hip, the best scenario that is probably the shortest path is an NFT giveaways from mp partners ... But that is far from a lock.
There may be some steps between having you fund the project
2:58 PM
But I want you to know I really appreciate the sentiment
2:59 PM
At the end of the day, we really just want enough engagement to make sure that any rule changes are reflecting the wills of the community and keeping it safe. It's too bad that there isn't intrinsic interest in doing that. I think that there's probably a lot of ways to make it slightly more fun and provide some sort of incentive to participate and certainly ones that don't reach into your pocket RW
2:59 PM
I think NFT partners would gladly donate
2:59 PM
And frankly their doing so brings visibility to their projects too(edited)
They had a specific thing they wanted to talk about re: the AMA, told them to try DMing you or another sub mods since that's not something discord side can help.
Not sure if they'll follow through, hopefully that wasn't out of line.
Worst case, they rave nonsense and you tell them it's very interesting, I figure, and best case it's insightful.
Yeah, context sort of got lost. We need to start onboarding the next round of Scc members and getting them trained (and figure out who has an interest in sticking around)
3:12 PM
Sounds like somebody active in discord was interested
And willing to jump in early to help with AMA brigade if you'll have them.
Rough_Willow
SCC Hat Off: I support updating the rule for a carve out to exclude GameStop and GameStop partners from the no Self-Monetization rule. Additionally, if changes are to be made then I look forward to the community post to get input from those who care to leave a message. (edited)
GameStop get's paid every time an NFT gets sold on their marketplace. I think it's reasonable to allow content GameStop's profiting off of on SuperStonk.
6:20 AM
Should GameStop batteries be allowed to be posted on SuperStonk given that the manufacturers make money off of the batteries being sold?
What if GameStop partners say for example, IMX or LRC wanted to promote something about their product, but it's not so clear how it directly benefits GameStop, or the benefit is vague and broad such as "This promotes web3 gaming, so GameStop marketplace benefits by osmosis"
If GameStop's partner Microsoft was wanting to promote something that only could be purchased from their online marketplace and not GameStop, I'd absolutely feel like there was an issue with Self Monetization.
6:26 AM
Not everything that has to do with gaming has to do with GameStop.
I ask this because in the brief and few (which you should take as me being a dumb guy about the topic), partners like IMX and former partners like Telos are good at being very coy about how GameStop directly benefits from whatever it is they wish to promote. That leads to quite a bit of tinfoil and potentially into
6:28 AM
--opps, areas that may become dangerous grounds
6:29 AM
I'm not really making any point, just curious and working out what the thought process is
I think that if they can't make a clear case on how it fits into the stated partnership (which usually has details about what and how) then they've got no case.
6:32 AM
Previous partnership statements have covered the scope of the partnership.
Lyrad (Crybad)
No, you still had to pay on Viemo, it was the alternative to Amazon (because fuck Amazon)
SCC Hat On:
As we look at updating our rules we need to achieve a higher level of engagement with users expressing what they are or aren't in favor of so that these changes fairly represent our users. What better way to increase community engagement than with a giveaway? When there's a reward (and we give adequate notice it's going to happen) then users are more willing to engage. If a subscribed user with any level of engagement prior to when we start the announcement that there will be a give away makes a top level comment that expresses support of one of the options then they're entered to win. I'd request that we really workshop the post to make sure that the options are clear and have overlap. If it's possible, maybe we could reach out to GameStop and see if they'd be willing to donate some gift cards to give away? Or even writing GameStop partners?
It still may not garner the level of engagement that we'd like, but it should greatly increase the engagement.
I can reach out to Gamestop on twitter and ask if they'd be able to donate pro rewards or something like that, do you have any ideas on what theyd have to do to win?
7:41 AM
we did have that IMX meme contest giveaway, and the one thing I learned from that is to make a post a week in advance to let people know what the thing is, then have the competition be the next weekend(edited)
I can reach out to Gamestop on twitter and ask if they'd be able to donate pro rewards or something like that, do you have any ideas on what theyd have to do to win?
I was thinking we give Ape Historian a Discord channel of their own, within the Superstonk Discord, to link to any archived accessible data, incase of fuckery with the sub.
(Obviously locked, so that it's just the link & whatever data wise they'd like to update people on.)(edited)
I was thinking we give Ape Historian a Discord channel of their own, within the Superstonk Discord, to link to any archived accessible data, incase of fuckery with the sub.
(Obviously locked, so that it's just the link & whatever data wise they'd like to update people on.) (edited)
Hello friends.. i could use some help here.. i don't just wanna make another post, as i'm trying to stop redditing.. but i came across something incredibly weird and i'm hoping to get some more eyes and brain power on it.. its called VALE.. and its weird.. aww fuck..
Vale S.A., formerly Companhia Vale do Rio Doce is a Brazilian multinational corporation engaged in metals and mining and one of the largest logistics operators in Brazil. Vale is the largest producer of iron ore and nickel in the world.
I'm not even sure where to start. I'll link the fintel page because it's got so many familiar names involved recently. It shows a weird spike in shares owned by institutions a while back.. yahoo revenue is 40 billion with 100 billion in profit.. its only 20% owned by instituions. 4 billion shares outstanding..
https://fintel.io/s/us/vale(edited)
Honestly, that value is a factor of 12x larger than any other period. I can't help but think that the first reason is that someone fat fingered some data. The mistake might be at the Fintel site or with the reporters that they compile the data from. I think the first step would be to verify that the reported data actually totaled to the observed data for this specific period of time. This will be labor intensive and I'm not inclined with my current activities.
digging through their filings is a mess lol they are huge and foreign. and honestly I'm not inclined to dig around in this stuff myself either, i did find this though. Thats about as far down this rabbit hole as i wanna go, it looks as though they have quite a few connections to government.
Honestly just came across it as i was digging through fintel for my post on r/stocks.. that got like 10k views but 0 comments... I just included it as an addendum. I was mainly trying to find out why the discrepancy in filing dates on Exor investment..
https://www.reddit.com/r/stocks/comments/17vfc15/understanding_filing_dates_better_how_is_it_that/
I'm just full of questions lol I'm set to make today the first day i don't comment or post at all though and continue on that trend. I feel like I'm about out of things to contribute to this and just wanna get more shares. I'm also pretty stubborn too so im just trying to turn that around and use it to stop myself when i feel the urge.
That said i think theres 1 more thing i'd like to share but i might drop that in the diary part. It's regarding NAKD.
I'll do my best to keep quiet in the discord as well. I just wanna point out how stupid it is that they are willing to sign on to fund the Defense department till Feb 2nd but not Veterans Affairs lol.. like Why is there now this 2 week gap in funding and now 2 deadlines have to be made?
So, I've seen other subs schedule shifts with moderators so that coverage can take place around the clock. Doing so can help identify where there's gaps in protection. I'm not sure the Reddit Admins will be forgiving of "well we didn't have any moderators online when the brigading was taking place" as an acceptable excuse. If our solution for more of our complex issues is to trust the moderators to take care of it, that 24/7 coverage is critical to quickly and effectively address these critical infractions.
Rough_Willow
So, I've seen other subs schedule shifts with moderators so that coverage can take place around the clock. Doing so can help identify where there's gaps in protection. I'm not sure the Reddit Admins will be forgiving of "well we didn't have any moderators online when the brigading was taking place" as an acceptable excuse. If our solution for more of our complex issues is to trust the moderators to take care of it, that 24/7 coverage is critical to quickly and effectively address these critical infractions.
Reddit allows for a reasonable amount of time to clear the queue. Given that we usually clear the queue daily we shouldn't have any kind of issue with Reddit about speed of action at least.
We don't schedule when mods are around but rather allow for mods to be active whenever they have the time. This is after all an unpaid voluntary position.
Except for the hedgie paychecks. /j
I think this highlights just how ineffective the suggestion of "just report it to the mods" is. The issue could be swaying the minds of those who haven't noticed a troll for hours before it's removed and the users who do notice are powerless to bring attention to it. The only path is a sizable time commitment to explain logical concepts like burden of proof and what logical fallacies they're using all the while the troll says "I'm just asking questions!"
9:12 AM
I've invested a sizable number of hours addressing trolls and there's never enough time to explain all the ways they're wrong so that others aren't swayed by their bad faith arguments.
Despite us having no clear schedule we do have at least one mod available almost all of the time as far as I've seen.
!MODS! is a quickfire way to get someones attention to an emergency issue.
I think this highlights just how ineffective the suggestion of "just report it to the mods" is. The issue could be swaying the minds of those who haven't noticed a troll for hours before it's removed and the users who do notice are powerless to bring attention to it. The only path is a sizable time commitment to explain logical concepts like burden of proof and what logical fallacies they're using all the while the troll says "I'm just asking questions!"
Many many tickers down today. Folks seriously say out loud “GME down on no news wtf”.
We have a population so out of touch with the fact that it’s an entire market that moves that they can’t distinguish when something is crime or if it’s just a red candle.
Or how about this one? Folks who insist the options market is a scam and mm/shf don’t actually hedge but completely ignore that when large blocks of contracts get sold we see pretty significant movement immediately.
2:43 PM
Oh and there’s the current soup de jour, upset that ftd report didn’t come out but also staunchly believes numbers aren’t reported accurately. So they are upset they were not shown numbers that they don’t trust anyway
I definitely think the options market is a scam and the video of the hedge fund insider saying that they don't hedge is what finally convinced me.
Additionally, it's not illogical to be both upset that our government entity isn't publishing data that they're obligated to publish (they might just have been getting in extra time before NNN but who knows?) and also believe that hedge funds who have frequently been fined for quite a lot of illegal shit would also do illegal shit with self reported data.
Rough_Willow
I definitely think the options market is a scam and the video of the hedge fund insider saying that they don't hedge is what finally convinced me.
Additionally, it's not illogical to be both upset that our government entity isn't publishing data that they're obligated to publish (they might just have been getting in extra time before NNN but who knows?) and also believe that hedge funds who have frequently been fined for quite a lot of illegal shit would also do illegal shit with self reported data.
It’s a scam that made me $550 this week out of $125. And that wasn’t by accident, it involved looking at mm hedging requirements based on daily positioning reports. Damndest thing happens when big blocks of puts sold to mm show up in a day, price pops with them.
Folks can be upset about numbers not being audited or being fraudulent. Folks can be upset about accurate data being withheld. But them being upset about a number they believe is fake not being provided is goofy, especially if the data does eventually get released and if it’s not what they want to see they’ll insist it was doctored like they already expected it was. It gets progressively harder to take people seriously when they get upset about stuff like this.(edited)
TiberiusWoodwind
It’s a scam that made me $550 this week out of $125. And that wasn’t by accident, it involved looking at mm hedging requirements based on daily positioning reports. Damndest thing happens when big blocks of puts sold to mm show up in a day, price pops with them.
Folks can be upset about numbers not being audited or being fraudulent. Folks can be upset about accurate data being withheld. But them being upset about a number they believe is fake not being provided is goofy, especially if the data does eventually get released and if it’s not what they want to see they’ll insist it was doctored like they already expected it was. It gets progressively harder to take people seriously when they get upset about stuff like this. (edited)
Every week, the vast majority of options expire worthless when the price of the stock ends up ending at approximately the max pain value. You're not experiencing what the majority experience when they buy options.
As for numbers? Even bad data is data. When I see self reported data, I think that it's the minimum they're willing to admit. That still has value regardless of if the data is completely accurate.
Rough_Willow
Every week, the vast majority of options expire worthless when the price of the stock ends up ending at approximately the max pain value. You're not experiencing what the majority experience when they buy options.
As for numbers? Even bad data is data. When I see self reported data, I think that it's the minimum they're willing to admit. That still has value regardless of if the data is completely accurate.
The calls I bought on Monday were sold by Wednesday. Yes indeed they’ll likely expire worthless, but between those 2 days they rocketed in value. You don’t hold them to expiration.
7:46 PM
That’s like saying “most food eventually rots”. No kidding, that’s why you eat before that occurs
As someone who hasn't done options more than baby steps, and not in ....over a year now actually when I ran out of ANY discretionary income, that's kind of also how max pain works.
Like...at a near definitional level as options get sold off.
As I understand it at least.
It's not that price moves to max pain. It's that max pain is based on what options aren't dumped yet.
Welcome someone telling me that I learned it wrong, or am wildly misremembering, but it's not a static set value.
Lairian -Flairy Type-
As someone who hasn't done options more than baby steps, and not in ....over a year now actually when I ran out of ANY discretionary income, that's kind of also how max pain works.
Like...at a near definitional level as options get sold off.
As I understand it at least.
It's not that price moves to max pain. It's that max pain is based on what options aren't dumped yet.
Welcome someone telling me that I learned it wrong, or am wildly misremembering, but it's not a static set value.
Yes, it’s a point constantly in flux based on current contracts.
One of the factors that determines a contracts value is the time on it until expiration. When that is at 0, even if your contract is itm it can still be worthless because it might not be worth anything to buy it.
8:01 PM
But that’s why you don’t hold them until expiration. Monday mid day I bought $12.50 strike calls that will expire tomorrow. When they were up a boatload by Tuesday I sold a chunk off to cover initial cost and bought some $13.50. On Wednesday I start selling off a bunch off those when they were up. And then this AM the rest sold off when the stop loss kicked in. I don’t care that these contracts, that in all likelihood were bought back by the mm, will expire worthless. That’s the buyers problem.
I'm pretty much at the same level as @Lairian -Flairy Type- in understanding. I think the key point here is that while it's easy to deride virtually anything as a scam, the truth is usually not the case. Options market isn't a scam, but there are loopholes in its mechanisms. TA as a method of analysis isn't snake oil, but some gurus use it to sell books and subscriptions. It doesn't make the whole thing one generalized ploy against retail.
In fact, I think the reason why GME has a MOASS play is because the market isn't a complete sham. The sneeze happened because a function of the market (retails buying a whole slew of GME instruments, stock and options) went against a loophole in the system. For every DD i've read, there's always a reliance on some mechanism in the market for MOASS to happen.
what the risks are given your goals (if any)
Then it's just a tool in the toolbox for buying and selling. Depending on your goal it's simply a more profitable way to purchase the stock. You can DRS afterwards without issue.
Quanatee
I'm pretty much at the same level as @Lairian -Flairy Type- in understanding. I think the key point here is that while it's easy to deride virtually anything as a scam, the truth is usually not the case. Options market isn't a scam, but there are loopholes in its mechanisms. TA as a method of analysis isn't snake oil, but some gurus use it to sell books and subscriptions. It doesn't make the whole thing one generalized ploy against retail.
In fact, I think the reason why GME has a MOASS play is because the market isn't a complete sham. The sneeze happened because a function of the market (retails buying a whole slew of GME instruments, stock and options) went against a loophole in the system. For every DD i've read, there's always a reliance on some mechanism in the market for MOASS to happen.
If I had to clarify my stance, I wouldn't say options are a complete scam but there's so much ability for OCC market participants to completely change the environment so quickly that it may as well be a scam. Some of TA is absolutely a scam, Wyckoff for example is complete conjecture, but I've yet to see TA that is more correct than simply flipping a coin.
I absolutely agree that the GME has MOASS play for the very same reason. The entire market isn't a scam. Those with the most money and power aren't playing by the rules but a lot of smaller fish that have so much to lose absolutely are following every rule.
I think inside of 2 months we are rapidly approaching a hard bottom and we get a significant enough of a reversal that those who know how to capitalize via options will have an opportunity to do so. I don’t do options but I don’t throw poo at those who know what they are doing. I personally don’t think options will lead to MOASS, but they can be useful to some. And I think options will be discussed favorably on the sub AFTER the window of opportunity has passed.
Rough_Willow
If I had to clarify my stance, I wouldn't say options are a complete scam but there's so much ability for OCC market participants to completely change the environment so quickly that it may as well be a scam. Some of TA is absolutely a scam, Wyckoff for example is complete conjecture, but I've yet to see TA that is more correct than simply flipping a coin.
I absolutely agree that the GME has MOASS play for the very same reason. The entire market isn't a scam. Those with the most money and power aren't playing by the rules but a lot of smaller fish that have so much to lose absolutely are following every rule.
You know my Taste the Rainbow dd posts? That was one of the factors on why I was so confident buying those calls. And it wasn’t just this week, since late October it picked all 3 of the bottoms to within a day (closest it hit was within 7 cents actually). And over two years now of working on it, even if I show the last month of data, even if I tie in bullish rsi divergence, even if I tie in large block orders of mm long puts…..I’ll still have folks say it’s bullshit despite the fact it happened.
But the sub gets fed a steady diet of low standards garbage and they’ve grown to assume it’s all garbage.
The barrier of entry for options is so much - when compared with "Buy. Hodl, DRS", where the one thing you need to explain at a cursory level is "shares held in your name (instead of just 'on your behalf' with a broker), like paper certificates back in the day but digital". To be successful with options, to really understand what is going on requires not just knowing you and your own position, but paid access to data on what other participants are doing. The learning curve is vertically asymptotic for a lot of folks, myself included
Like, to draw a parallel, when talking with others about options it's like talking about Dismal's site and the tracker. You can't prove to people who don't understand the technology whether it's safe or not. If there is not mutual agreement on the assessment of risk, it puts you in a difficult spot. If you point out their ignorance, they snap. If you try to explain, well they've already made up their minds and probably won't listen. Bad actors will just ignore you and never address the lack of understanding they displayed. Same thing different topic for options
Then there's the history with for-profit-idiots like Gherk, and the recent demands that people sell Cash Secured Puts. It's shit like this that have given options a bad rep from within the community. I think it's an important topic though, and I know of a couple of lurker (personal friends) who feel the same way, but quite a few apes do hold to anti-options rhetoric (which I think is totally valid, given that history)
The barrier of entry for options is so much - when compared with "Buy. Hodl, DRS", where the one thing you need to explain at a cursory level is "shares held in your name (instead of just 'on your behalf' with a broker), like paper certificates back in the day but digital". To be successful with options, to really understand what is going on requires not just knowing you and your own position, but paid access to data on what other participants are doing. The learning curve is vertically asymptotic for a lot of folks, myself included
Like, to draw a parallel, when talking with others about options it's like talking about Dismal's site and the tracker. You can't prove to people who don't understand the technology whether it's safe or not. If there is not mutual agreement on the assessment of risk, it puts you in a difficult spot. If you point out their ignorance, they snap. If you try to explain, well they've already made up their minds and probably won't listen. Bad actors will just ignore you and never address the lack of understanding they displayed. Same thing different topic for options
Then there's the history with for-profit-idiots like Gherk, and the recent demands that people sell Cash Secured Puts. It's shit like this that have given options a bad rep from within the community. I think it's an important topic though, and I know of a couple of lurker (personal friends) who feel the same way, but quite a few apes do hold to anti-options rhetoric (which I think is totally valid, given that history)
I’d agree there is more thinking involved. But the first step is to start with buy/hodl and just ask “hey is today a good time to buy or will it be cheaper tomorrow”. Not worrying about options but instead just thinking about if something is a dip or not.
The barrier of entry for options is so much - when compared with "Buy. Hodl, DRS", where the one thing you need to explain at a cursory level is "shares held in your name (instead of just 'on your behalf' with a broker), like paper certificates back in the day but digital". To be successful with options, to really understand what is going on requires not just knowing you and your own position, but paid access to data on what other participants are doing. The learning curve is vertically asymptotic for a lot of folks, myself included
Like, to draw a parallel, when talking with others about options it's like talking about Dismal's site and the tracker. You can't prove to people who don't understand the technology whether it's safe or not. If there is not mutual agreement on the assessment of risk, it puts you in a difficult spot. If you point out their ignorance, they snap. If you try to explain, well they've already made up their minds and probably won't listen. Bad actors will just ignore you and never address the lack of understanding they displayed. Same thing different topic for options
Then there's the history with for-profit-idiots like Gherk, and the recent demands that people sell Cash Secured Puts. It's shit like this that have given options a bad rep from within the community. I think it's an important topic though, and I know of a couple of lurker (personal friends) who feel the same way, but quite a few apes do hold to anti-options rhetoric (which I think is totally valid, given that history)
The CSP push, it’s not a bad idea. You are either buying the shares for the price you pick or you are pocketing the premium, that’s the only two outcomes that can occur from it. Plus, as the price drops it forces the mm (the likely buyer of the put) to buy shares because if the price drops low enough to make exercising worth while they need the shares to sell to you. So it can end up helping to stabilize the price.
I think the bigger question is whether the price holding steady is something to even be concerned about. Company doesn’t need to raise money with a share offering. Apes like to keep buying the stock and they acquire faster as the price drops. But it could also have consequences on finding quality execs who don’t want to hold or be paid in stock that’s dropping constantly.
The arc of this meta-narrative seems constructed upon the theme: “They made every possible financial misstep and still won through sheer perseverance. What they told themselves in the beginning held them to the end…that we can stay retarded longer than they can remain solvent.” read by Morgan Freeman. Cue credits
It's been ongoing. It's unpleasant. And it's a fucking shame that it's resulted in a good mod stepping away for their safety. It's... A red line that's not been crossed before.
It's extremely messed up I Don't want to overwhelm BadassTrader with tags or messages at this time. so writing it like this because want to send you positivity. Stay strong and thank you for everything you've done!
9:44 AM
If you don't mind me asking, does anyone know how the doxxing occurred? If there's something we're missing that makes us vulnerable to it, we should try to use this incident to become more resilient to it.
Agreed...
I'm not usually one for attributing guilt onto associates, however, I will say that not one olive branch, not one legitimate DD, not one single shred of genuine behavior has come from anyone on that sub.
They're vindictive, vapid, vacuous (lot of Vs), and spiteful people who value a good troll over rationality, and will do whatever it takes to maintain the veil of hopium they've gotten addicted to over time.
11:49 AM
The worst part is there seems to be a portion / (all?) of them are organized/radicalized enough to go after both the discord, the sub, and Twitter, for as long as they are.
Rough_Willow
I think this is a perfect opportunity to discuss what value PP members have in SuperStonk when this is what their associates do.
There's a lot of people who like SuperStonk and tolerate Doxing
Caffeine & Ketamine
The worst part is there seems to be a portion / (all?) of them are organized/radicalized enough to go after both the discord, the sub, and Twitter, for as long as they are.
In terms of pure numbers PP sub has around 18 or 19,000 subscribers... If you look at their hot section things hit hot with about 40 or 50 net upvotes.
11:57 AM
While I'm prepared to admit that the 900 and something thousand people that we have at superstonk maybe inflated by bots and alts... There is no comparison as to the enormity of the size discrepancy between these communities... And the truly bad actors are subset of that(edited)
11:57 AM
Just keep it in perspective
11:57 AM
We're probably talking about a few hundred really toxic people
11:58 AM
Not to minimize that because obviously a few hundred toxic people can really make things awful
11:58 AM
But just keep the big picture in mind
luma44
We're probably talking about a few hundred really toxic people
I'm inclined to agree with this actually....if there's that many people in a community, it's almost mathematically guaranteed there's be a sizeable portion who are diagnosed/undiagnosed socio/psychopaths lol
luma44
If you think that we will not be turning over a litany of evidence of that to reddit admins, you are mistaken. (edited)
I guess treat me like a moron (which is general advice for communication with me) and break down what this looks like into action steps that we have influence over
And of a moderator here. I wouldn't think it's over the line at all to ban them all for engagement in a community that tries to physically harm our members.
If this is the route we're going, it's a bit more gray area than cut and dry.
This would have to be a case-by-case basis of reporting people who have a large attachment with that sub, and, history of actions that show they're just problem people.
However, the good news is that we've adopted a fairly conservative ban stance towards users who are active contributors of PP show AND trolling super stonk(edited)
12:08 PM
We're not seeking out people with a pp post history, But it's definitely become a factor in our decision about bans for people who are reported
I think we should evaluate people on their individual actions imo. If someone is gullible enough to fall in the wrong crowd, putting the hammer by mere participation an another subreddit will push them further into the other subreddit
I agree to that. Since the butterfly crapped on SS, there next to nothing from over there leaking through the gate.
If an individual starts bs , let them climb the ban
stonkyagraha
I think we should evaluate people on their individual actions imo. If someone is gullible enough to fall in the wrong crowd, putting the hammer by mere participation an another subreddit will push them further into the other subreddit
There's a lot of people who hold BBBY (or used to, anyway) and GME and don't even know about the interasub politics.
12:25 PM
Unfortunately, it's always just a thin sliver of the community causing problems
12:26 PM
I think we just continue doing what we're doing, making sure we don't brigade their sub, take the high road, report content that is dangerous and trust that the truth will out
If it’s being reported and evidence exists then report to Reddit, Twitter, and YouTube. Will they absolutely do something if it isn’t happening on their platform? No clue and my guess is no. But they also might not be too keen on fostering a community on their site that behaves like this and would rather cut ties before it becomes and issue.
IMO, pressing these issues on the other platforms is gonna be the best play because that’s where these guys are generating money. When that goes away they’ll shut down.(edited)
I'm...actually pretty aligned with Rough Willow on this one that this is way past a line of silence and acceptance within the community being too far itself.
I don't know how to mechanically do something about it, but just wanted to express an agreement that silence is condoneing here.
But none of that is on the front page of their subreddit. You can't condone something your casual use leaves you unaware of. If they write something somewhere a snide comment on the matter, that's another story.
Edit: Oh you mean mods. That I don't have much of an opinion over.(edited)
Doxing leads to unhinged lunatics showing up to your house because you pointed out their investment was worthless. Those that are involved in groups where that behavior stems from deserve no mercy.
5:55 PM
My thoughts are the same with threats of physical violence.
Update: 10 bans on the BAT post that I just did. 22 bans today.
All brigading from PP except:
One reposting removed content (technically brigading content)
Two be nice or else
One SpamScamShitcoin
One "reposting rape humor"
I've tried reaching out to the former runners of said event, but I've heard back echoes....
So im going to try my best here in the next day or so to figure out how to do it myself
Caffeine & Ketamine
I've tried reaching out to the former runners of said event, but I've heard back echoes....
So im going to try my best here in the next day or so to figure out how to do it myself
BF69 and IDAT are cool with us/you taking the VGH banner if you want to go through the hoops of making a new relationship with TFT. There's always a new TFT liason each year, and there's a lot of red tape. You, unfortunately, can't reach out to the same person they used for fear of doxxing, I guess? I wasn't super clear on that.
Connect with your local Toys for Tots Chapter to: Host a Toy Drive Apply for Toys Donate Toys / Find Local Toy Collection Sites Host a Toys for Tots Event
9:47 PM
9:48 PM
Basically, if you want to do it, we'll support 100% as we believe in the cause. The easiest might just be to find a local chapter.
9:48 PM
However, the first year was great. The second year wasn't as promoted as much, so it wasn't as popular. Not really sure what will happen this year. The late start isn't ideal.
9:49 PM
We can mix it up though - like a donate goods to your local hospital and post the receipt/dropoff drive or something. There's lots of ways to promote charity if TFT is too difficult to work with. They sort of were, last year
9:51 PM
Basically, if I understand correctly, the donate money part was easy. You just set it up online. The donate gifts part relied on actual contacts that they weren't comfortable sharing
I think it's the easiest way - donate games to a hospital or charity near you. There's a bunch to choose from. My wife and I extensively volunteer time with WTAP. We can make a new flair for it, no problem.
Then, we do a little surprise Christmas week test run of using nfts in a wallet for a discord party of nft holders. Nothing crazy, maybe jackbox games or just get drunk and everyone shares what neat stuff they got at GameStop.
10:09 AM
Gives us a chance to test out how to do it with a decent crowd of folks
TiberiusWoodwind
Then, we do a little surprise Christmas week test run of using nfts in a wallet for a discord party of nft holders. Nothing crazy, maybe jackbox games or just get drunk and everyone shares what neat stuff they got at GameStop.
I wonder if it would be easier/harder to just make a gate kept discord channel in the existing superstonk discord?
I like where your head is at, for the record
I think @ProgVirus was doing research on that and determined it was technically plausible, though we weren't sure it was a great idea to have a pseudo-pay-channel with some exclusion.
Basically we're trying to listen to Ian Malcom saying "just because you can doesn't mean you should".
But we were discussing in context of just the Power Up Pro NFT or something.
Spot on looks doable with Collab.Land and Seph clarified the Discord bot’s permissions are pretty lax when compared with most. This is the same solution the Loopring Discord settled on, so I have some info of their config, seems very doable
Token-gating is pretty NFTy though - see what I did there?
(I’ll see myself out)
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Lairian -Flairy Type-
I think @ProgVirus was doing research on that and determined it was technically plausible, though we weren't sure it was a great idea to have a pseudo-pay-channel with some exclusion.
Basically we're trying to listen to Ian Malcom saying "just because you can doesn't mean you should".
But we were discussing in context of just the Power Up Pro NFT or something.
My thought with it being a surprise for making a charity post is this, no one can come back and say “oh well I would’ve donated something if I knew this would happen”. Cause what jackass in their right mind will say that when the reason for donating should just be in the spirit of the holiday, not for their own gain.
Ultimately I think it’s just an opportunity to test it. If it’s a shitshow we don’t need to think of it again. If it works we can figure out a broader use.
Prog, if we wanted to do something softer than a channel access, it can just give a role with an emoji associated so they get a visible "Apes Care" badge or something right?
Lairian -Flairy Type-
Prog, if we wanted to do something softer than a channel access, it can just give a role with an emoji associated so they get a visible "Apes Care" badge or something right?
Based on previous experience doxxing is a possibility altho bats post didn't seem to have reddit admin worthy smoking guns.
It was probably the pattern of not moderating his sub and telling his followers to "wink wink nod nod, don't do this thing that's against reddit rules"
Did new Teddy books just get released or is that hitting the sub as the new butterfly bait? I’m not emotionally prepared for all the Cohencidence comments
sandman11235
Did new Teddy books just get released or is that hitting the sub as the new butterfly bait? I’m not emotionally prepared for all the Cohencidence comments
Probably butterfly bait since they just got r/teddy
6:57 PM
Hmm. Maybe not
sandman11235
Did new Teddy books just get released or is that hitting the sub as the new butterfly bait? I’m not emotionally prepared for all the Cohencidence comments
Yes, from purchase the money needs to settle then the purchase goes through then the shares need to settle. All of the above on working days so expect about a week for it to land in your account.
sandman11235
Does it take 2 or 3 days for a Computershare purchase to be activated?
Im not talking about reoccurring purchases. If I purchase through CS one time as a $$ amount today, when will the shares be purchased (assuming this is a standard trading week).
A purchase today would be three or four business days in the future, and with tomorrow being a holiday it probably doesn't count, which would mean Tuesday or Wednesday next week.
9:22 AM
Depending on what time today the order is submitted. I don't think we have nailed down a specific point where the cutoff is
Im not talking about reoccurring purchases. If I purchase through CS one time as a $$ amount today, when will the shares be purchased (assuming this is a standard trading week).
Order > CS takes money > CS waits for money to settle (t+2) > following morning > CS sends order to their broker with other orders in a batch > Broker sends order to market > CS waits for shares to settle (T+2) > CS automatically DRS's the shares under 'Plan' > They should then be in your account.
I wrote that over a year ago lol
Is there a way to have the links in the reports go to Reddit.com rather than new.reddit.com?
That way it won't override things for us geezers still using old.reddit?
Also CS autobuys the money comes out of the account on the 1st and 15th and the buy is T-3 after that
whattothewhonow
Is there a way to have the links in the reports go to Reddit.com rather than new.reddit.com?
That way it won't override things for us geezers still using old.reddit?
Same here. I usually buy through TD (Swab) and DRS but also buy though CS once in a while. I like setting limit orders on charts. That's primarily why I have been buying through TD
i always buy through fidelity and then DRS, unlike what i've heard from schwab/td users. as soon as i initiate a deposit, i can buy GME within 1 minute
tbh I'm jealous how easy US folks got it lmao. DRSing from my broker in Canada costs me $300, takes weeks, and the one time I needed to do it they ignored my instructions to use my existing account number ending up in a new one being created, more weeks waiting for a new letter, etc., but eventually did get consolidated. This is why I am mad thankful for Wise + CS Buys (tho I do miss picking my price)
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ProgVirus
tbh I'm jealous how easy US folks got it lmao. DRSing from my broker in Canada costs me $300, takes weeks, and the one time I needed to do it they ignored my instructions to use my existing account number ending up in a new one being created, more weeks waiting for a new letter, etc., but eventually did get consolidated. This is why I am mad thankful for Wise + CS Buys (tho I do miss picking my price)
tbh I'm jealous how easy US folks got it lmao. DRSing from my broker in Canada costs me $300, takes weeks, and the one time I needed to do it they ignored my instructions to use my existing account number ending up in a new one being created, more weeks waiting for a new letter, etc., but eventually did get consolidated. This is why I am mad thankful for Wise + CS Buys (tho I do miss picking my price)
CS buys are great for anyone outside the US, inside the US, there are better options
ProgVirus
tbh I'm jealous how easy US folks got it lmao. DRSing from my broker in Canada costs me $300, takes weeks, and the one time I needed to do it they ignored my instructions to use my existing account number ending up in a new one being created, more weeks waiting for a new letter, etc., but eventually did get consolidated. This is why I am mad thankful for Wise + CS Buys (tho I do miss picking my price)
Bbbyq folks are assuming RC told him he’s wrong. My own tinfoil guess is RC told him that he’s stoking a fire that’ll go out on its own and it’s not worth pissing off a group of nutjobs who might legit try to get him fired or harm him. Compared to early in this saga, RC has gone very quiet on Twitter and that seems to have happened shortly after getting out of bbbyq and the following legal issues. So I can imagine he has a much more authentic understanding of the importance of not engaging with folks who try to spin your words constantly. Wish I had an inside line with the guy and could just ask him directly but no such luck.
TiberiusWoodwind
Bbbyq folks are assuming RC told him he’s wrong. My own tinfoil guess is RC told him that he’s stoking a fire that’ll go out on its own and it’s not worth pissing off a group of nutjobs who might legit try to get him fired or harm him. Compared to early in this saga, RC has gone very quiet on Twitter and that seems to have happened shortly after getting out of bbbyq and the following legal issues. So I can imagine he has a much more authentic understanding of the importance of not engaging with folks who try to spin your words constantly. Wish I had an inside line with the guy and could just ask him directly but no such luck.
Hmm. I've been a tad disconnected attending to person things. But it seems to me that his response of "I need to rethink this" is not consistent with your latter explanation
9:03 PM
That being said, I guess it's presently unknowable
He said it’s nothing directed at GME community but a personal message to him. Besides, RC couldn’t talk about the stock/company right before earnings anyway, he’d get hit with insider knowledge issues.
RC could’ve said “listen, drop it with these guys. I sold, I said the company didn’t want my help, they very clearly are dismantled and those hodlers have nothing. You put a target on yourself from a crew of people who are fanatical and it gives them something to discuss when there’s nothing. Your attacks drive more engagement there way. I pay them no mind and don’t acknowledge them in anyway but still I get harassed and have to worry about my family’s safety since these guys have proven they’ll break laws to find out info about me. Just leave them the fuck alone and grow up. There’s no prize for dunking on the kid with broken legs, dick.”
Given it's supposedly "a private message to them" it could've been something like:
"I've seen your tweets over the last years and you're a bit of a dick, maybe try being nicer to people."
That would get the response we saw without sharing imo.
Why in the hell does RC engage with Pulte if he knows it’s only going to encourage the towel craziness. Responding to Pulte is a full on endorsement Pulte and all the butterfly speculations to these people. If he doesn’t like/agree with the product, why keep feeding into the delusion. I just don’t understand it.
FluffyTrex
Given it's supposedly "a private message to them" it could've been something like:
"I've seen your tweets over the last years and you're a bit of a dick, maybe try being nicer to people."
That would get the response we saw without sharing imo.
This is my first and still only thought. Hardcore GME vigilantism isn't a good look for the company too.
"Even though I don't intend to change my personal tweets..." Something something, trolling harassing and picking fights with other people is unhealthy or along those lines.
3:26 AM
That would be my guess
FluffyTrex
Given it's supposedly "a private message to them" it could've been something like:
"I've seen your tweets over the last years and you're a bit of a dick, maybe try being nicer to people."
That would get the response we saw without sharing imo.
I thought them not sharing it was the whole tinfoil starting point?
3:48 AM
But personally I'd have gone dark without saying anything, but I'm not in the business of being loud on Twitter so idk.
TiberiusWoodwind
He said it’s nothing directed at GME community but a personal message to him. Besides, RC couldn’t talk about the stock/company right before earnings anyway, he’d get hit with insider knowledge issues.
RC could’ve said “listen, drop it with these guys. I sold, I said the company didn’t want my help, they very clearly are dismantled and those hodlers have nothing. You put a target on yourself from a crew of people who are fanatical and it gives them something to discuss when there’s nothing. Your attacks drive more engagement there way. I pay them no mind and don’t acknowledge them in anyway but still I get harassed and have to worry about my family’s safety since these guys have proven they’ll break laws to find out info about me. Just leave them the fuck alone and grow up. There’s no prize for dunking on the kid with broken legs, dick.”
Hey. We could make another honey pot. Have a mod make a stickied post for 2 days with the theme
“Finish the thought, “Even though I don’t intend to chang…”. Keep answers to within 1-2 paragraphs.”
One hand it might be funny, other hand we will find the accounts that need bans quick.
Mod hat: I'm genuinely concerned that any mod actions encouraging this drama could be seen as harassing or bullying shortdestroyer.
Anyway we have enough honeypots from the last 24h lol.
I just checked, no history of any GME related sub. I hope this is not bait for selling calls. Yes, I have smoked some. But this is the second time there is a GME push from accounts with no GME relation. Sus! I tell ya.
Chato35
I just checked, no history of any GME related sub. I hope this is not bait for selling calls. Yes, I have smoked some. But this is the second time there is a GME push from accounts with no GME relation. Sus! I tell ya.
I said it before Tiber, I understand what you do and all good, there is no wrong way to hold (?) , there is no wrong way to accumulate shares. If you know what you are doing, it's all good, but maybe 10% has an understanding of how options works.
Your ttr and ( oh no!) Dorito kinda tracked. Maybe this is the Q2 that I wanted
I said it before Tiber, I understand what you do and all good, there is no wrong way to hold (?) , there is no wrong way to accumulate shares. If you know what you are doing, it's all good, but maybe 10% has an understanding of how options works.
Your ttr and ( oh no!) Dorito kinda tracked. Maybe this is the Q2 that I wanted
Oh listen, 95% of my investment is shares. Just bought and held. 5% is in options. But what’s fun is when that 5% goes on a tear and suddenly becomes 25%. Cause now I’m buying shares with the mm’s money
Anti-options rhetoric is extremely dumb.
It's like a diy group boycotting power saws. It's just a tool in the shed that you need to know how to use.(edited)
9:11 AM
If you arn't comfortable using it then by all means use a different tool.
You don't even really need to know how to use it, but knowing what it does, what it can yield, and its risks is important in the work place.
A lot of the time, in this metaphor, people seem unwilling to go past the "do not stop saw with hand or genitals" sticker.
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Lairian -Flairy Type-
You don't even really need to know how to use it, but knowing what it does, what it can yield, and its risks is important in the work place.
A lot of the time, in this metaphor, people seem unwilling to go past the "do not stop saw with hand or genitals" sticker.
This is what folks don’t get. The stock runs 25%. My calls for next week are up ~250% and they are already deep itm. Calls that were far otm yesterday for this week are up ~2200% and they are still otm. No one with a brain holds that to expiration, they sell it for the cash.
And it’s not like this isn’t unexpected. I messaged Lyrad and Luma last night that the options report showed a massive increase in puts sold to mm yesterday. So why not yank some cash away from the mm and play in the casino with their money?
There are 3 types of Blackjack players, emotional, basic strategy and advantage players.
Advantage Players gets the most out of the game by playing perfect basic strategy and bet size in correlation with the count.
That is you.
Me, back when bought every bs nothingburger ( pickle, pomeranian times)
Nah. Given how much nonsense gets posted I REALLY do not want to see options nonsense on the sub. And I don’t particularly feel like pointing to ample evidence that mm do hedge only for a guy with a hot take to insist I’m fudding
Chato35
There are 3 types of Blackjack players, emotional, basic strategy and advantage players.
Advantage Players gets the most out of the game by playing perfect basic strategy and bet size in correlation with the count.
That is you.
Me, back when bought every bs nothingburger ( pickle, pomeranian times)
I appreciate that I don't need to understand it, and that Tibs has never tried to explain or guess why. Just pointed it out and told me how to set it up.
It was great for timing weekly lows when I had cash for things other than food.
Lairian -Flairy Type-
I think just casual banter while people are behaving.
Amazing how some upgo suddenly makes everyone friends again. /gen
It's less "it will bounce here until it doesn't" and more "if it turns around it will do it at this point, and if it doesn't, here's the next point it will try to".
At least that's how I use the tool(edited)
It's less "it will bounce here until it doesn't" and more "if it turns around it will do it at this point, and if it doesn't, here's the next point it will try to".
At least that's how I use the tool (edited)
Yeah. And daily rsi showed bullish divergence on each bonk. Like to the day it matched up with dealer long puts. Even if you didn’t know which bonk would be the big daddy bonk, you’d have made money buying atm calls on each one
I mean.
Unpopular statement but.
The other option is that volume really is that low, because inflation and cost of living means apes really have slowed buying and DRS that much. And it costs very little to offset them and wait to exit nowadays.
I mean.
Unpopular statement but.
The other option is that volume really is that low, because inflation and cost of living means apes really have slowed buying and DRS that much. And it costs very little to offset them and wait to exit nowadays.
Morning thought before I go to work. Sub seems to be paying more attention to the effects of High Frequency Trading, but there is still a big knowledge gap (myself included). Would an AMA be helpful? Have we looked into this already?
Lyrad (Crybad)
The issue I have with this is that there's less than 8k shares in the whole ETF
That’s fine. Theres currently a highly upvoted speculative post saying they only traded one real share back and forth 60 million times yesterday. So assuming 23,400 seconds in a trading day and that single share traded 2,564 times per second. Perfectly reasonable
TiberiusWoodwind
That’s fine. Theres currently a highly upvoted speculative post saying they only traded one real share back and forth 60 million times yesterday. So assuming 23,400 seconds in a trading day and that single share traded 2,564 times per second. Perfectly reasonable
there's no chance in hell I can find it again, but I saw a link to twitter yesterday where some company with less than 2 million outstanding shares traded something like 40 million volume yesterday(edited)
5:18 AM
I'm not sure there is a limit
Rough_Willow
So, as a software engineer who's interviewed a few HFT companies, what do you think the upper limit is?
For computations per second, oh it’s in the millions. But it’s not as if orders come in by 1s all day. So how exactly are they trading 1 share that quick if the order is for 100? And if they didn’t have the 100 anyway, why bother trading it at all?
So, the time tolerances they were working with were in the nanosecond range. I'd be interested in just how data is aggregated to see what would be HFT and what wasn't.
whattothewhonow
there's no chance in hell I can find it again, but I saw a link to twitter yesterday where some company with less than 2 million outstanding shares traded something like 40 million volume yesterday (edited)
This is my first and still only thought. Hardcore GME vigilantism isn't a good look for the company too.
"Even though I don't intend to change my personal tweets..." Something something, trolling harassing and picking fights with other people is unhealthy or along those lines.
That's my guess too, there was a bounty on doxxing him. My gut tells me someone got him and threatened to release the info if he didn't change his tune
That's my guess too, there was a bounty on doxxing him. My gut tells me someone got him and threatened to release the info if he didn't change his tune
Can you access it with the link? Try to leave a test comment. From what I remember, it might be the case of having it hidden if you reported it. I've had that happen to me with certain posts.(edited)
Can you access it with the link? Try to leave a test comment. From what I remember, it might be the case of having it hidden if you reported it. I've had that happen to me with certain posts. (edited)
Sorry, please try again later. I made a comment a while back that a post he made was click baity and he should do better. After that I couldn’t access him. I was under the temporary impression that maybe he deleted his profile. Occam’s razor eluded me that day.(edited)
Removing for various reasons.
Welp, you cannot just block people who are challenging your post with hard data. You posted this, people are countering Law's post seeing how he's using 3 data points out of 9 to make his claim.
If you're going to just post things you find on twitter, at least be open to discussing it, otherwise it's no different than the repost bots we remove on a daily basis.
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Lyrad (Crybad)
Removing for various reasons.
Welp, you cannot just block people who are challenging your post with hard data. You posted this, people are countering Law's post seeing how he's using 3 data points out of 9 to make his claim.
If you're going to just post things you find on twitter, at least be open to discussing it, otherwise it's no different than the repost bots we remove on a daily basis.
Price down = Quiet sub
Price go up = Sub happy and noisy again
Maybe you missed r/ThePPShow getting nuked depending on how long you've been away?
Other than that nothing too crazy that I can remember (although my memory is terrible lol)
Cryptic tweets invite tinfoil speculation. Tyson > Kith meme > copium is a pretty easy leap-frog for people still expecting to be rescued. I guess no matter what RC tweets they will force the connection anyway, but this seems like one that should have been likely anticipated.
Yapper - “What if the price goes to $1000000 and the broker closes your account”
Me - “what if your aunt had balls? She’d be your uncle”
Like how do I tell people any clearer that I guess the 30 shares at my broker aren’t there but there’s still ~1000 at CS? These people really believe I need to keep shares in the brokerage to trade options? Why on earth would they assume that when you’d only need to do it for covered calls.
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TiberiusWoodwind
Yapper - “What if the price goes to $1000000 and the broker closes your account”
Me - “what if your aunt had balls? She’d be your uncle”
Like how do I tell people any clearer that I guess the 30 shares at my broker aren’t there but there’s still ~1000 at CS? These people really believe I need to keep shares in the brokerage to trade options? Why on earth would they assume that when you’d only need to do it for covered calls.
i sell puts regularly (generally for profit with a goal of not being assigned with my emergency cash fund that i want to be able to access if I ever have to since I would never sell any of my GME shares), occasionally sell covered calls against unwanted/unexpected put assignments, and every once in a while i'll buy a call
From time to time, I dabble in getting paid to place limit orders for GME that have no obligation to be filled. I can't say I'm sophisticated, but I would enjoy a channel like that.
I spend way too much time on Reddit and the Internet in general
First time someone tried to show me 2 girls 1 cup they were horrified when I laughed and then got pissed that it was basically a ripoff of an old somethingawful.com video that I'm credited on as an executive producer cause if your threw $5 at the project you got credited
5:31 PM
Super desensitized to weird fetishes and gore
Still dont want to see people hurt animals though
5:32 PM
I've seen all the gross out shock videos, stretched nips are super tame
whattothewhonow
I spend way too much time on Reddit and the Internet in general
First time someone tried to show me 2 girls 1 cup they were horrified when I laughed and then got pissed that it was basically a ripoff of an old somethingawful.com video that I'm credited on as an executive producer cause if your threw $5 at the project you got credited
The story about swap.avi is an old legend from the ancient days of the Internet circa 2005 or so. Some guy on somethingawful found a Brazilian website where you could basically order a custom porn vid
That discovery turned into a crowd sourced project by a whole bunch of degenerates wondering just how depraved a thing would have to be for the script to be rejected. It was bad.
To everyone's surprise the company was like, "No problem. $2,000" or something.
Everyone figured it was a scam and you'd be throwing the cash away, but people decided to throw a few bucks here and there at it.
It was mostly forgotten about until that guy got a burned CD ROM or DVD in the mail like 3 months later and it was worse than anyone could have imagined
5:38 PM
It was gross, but more disturbing was the dead eyed prostitutes that were probably paid in drugs to do all the gross stuff. Once you got over how disgusting it was it was just super depressing and most people involved just felt bad about the whole thing after the fact
whattothewhonow
It was gross, but more disturbing was the dead eyed prostitutes that were probably paid in drugs to do all the gross stuff. Once you got over how disgusting it was it was just super depressing and most people involved just felt bad about the whole thing after the fact
Yeah, as someone who is no longer a college idiot in his 20s, I regret being involved with the whole thing. It's one of my only interesting Internet stories I was involved in.
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whattothewhonow
Yeah, as someone who is no longer a college idiot in his 20s, I regret being involved with the whole thing. It's one of my only interesting Internet stories I was involved in.
Pretty much what Recap did was empiricaly prove to me that if you want karma you just have to go into Monster Hunter subs and complain about fighting Volvidon, the coldest take on the planet.
I second this, it's the first thing that came to mind when I saw that number and a post the other day. I also think general shitty state of the economy right now (a lot of folks are strapped for cash, inflation, etc.)
I don’t really go in for tinfoil anymore, but it does seem hard to believe at these prices we didn’t make any progress even despite inflation and Mainstar.
I don’t really go in for tinfoil anymore, but it does seem hard to believe at these prices we didn’t make any progress even despite inflation and Mainstar.
If there was some sort of push by DTC, I don't think GameStop or CS have an obligation to act on what DTC wants. Not in DTC jurisdiction.
Is it possible brokers have access? Maybe? I never read the broker side of the deal. Do they have my signature? Yes.
So this is kind of the same discussion @Rough_Willow and I had about whether or not GME gets their data direct from CS or if it’s told to them by DTCC.
3:44 PM
But Ein goes right to the assumption that it’s DTCC misreporting it
sandman11235
Einfachman always struck me as a pretty straight shooter.
To that point, Ein is the same guy who believed amc was the real play before migrating to GME and then insisted bbby would ignite moass and also wrote a post on why 2022 was the year of moass. He doesn’t have a great track record with his research panning out(edited)
He wrote a post called “2022 year of moass” and another on why bbby was RC’s kill shot. The amc stuff was back in like 2021 but he had comments on that sub along the lines of “I think amc is the real play and the only reason I chat with GME folks is they occasionally have good ideas”
Idk, he’s rubbed me the wrong way for a while because he’s consistently not right and his posts tend to just be a recap of other peoples posts
TiberiusWoodwind
He wrote a post called “2022 year of moass” and another on why bbby was RC’s kill shot. The amc stuff was back in like 2021 but he had comments on that sub along the lines of “I think amc is the real play and the only reason I chat with GME folks is they occasionally have good ideas”
I must not be remembering correctly. I thought there was a critical margin component to TtR originally, but then you said you no longer considered that correct.
TiberiusWoodwind
To that point, Ein is the same guy who believed amc was the real play before migrating to GME and then insisted bbby would ignite moass and also wrote a post on why 2022 was the year of moass. He doesn’t have a great track record with his research panning out (edited)
Given the correlation between basket stocks (way back in the days of HomeDepotHank) the premise of some other basket stock impacting us isn't completely crazy.
sandman11235
I must not be remembering correctly. I thought there was a critical margin component to TtR originally, but then you said you no longer considered that correct.
Ok, own self reflection story time.
Way back at the beginning, I suspected that my top line was a real line in the sand. Then critical margin comes out and folks start treating it like it’s gospel. And when folks really over hype something I begin to question it because I have this running belief that anytime something gets too popular on ss it likely means it’s wrong. Anywho I’m working on trying to figure out why it’s a line right, because why would it work like that when nothing moves in a line. I could understand a curve, wave, some type of irregular shape, but not a line.
Ok so then another person writes a dd on how they’ve deduced the shorts margin requirement and they claim anything past the line would blow them up. Ein comments on it how great the post is. Well I’m a buzz kill and dig into the post only to discover that this mathematical proof op had done was really just an ass backwards method of determining a slope based on 2 points he chose. I couldn’t find evidence anywhere that his equation existed as a method of solving for margin requirement. And not for nothing but that post is still in like top 20 of upvoted ss DD’s despite its entirely bullshit.
Then another dd pops up where op insists that Ken is pumping the entire market to keep GME below some line. They provide like 4 posts worth of charts as proof. Again, this was another math fuck up but this one deals with X/Y graphs where one asset is WAY more volatile than the other. Because GME has such enormous runs, any chart of (asset)/GME will just look like inverted GME because comparatively they hardly move. So again, multiple bad DD’s all trying to prove the same idea. And when I said nothing will happen when we cross these lines folks disbelieved til we did it twice.
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4:13 PM
And here’s the nutty bit. I’m not bad at math but I’m no engineer. Literally thousands of eyes on those posts and you think it’d be caught by people? Nope. The dude with 2 degrees in playing sax caught the bad math.
Digging into the comments on Welps post. Seems like someone knows the legalese from experience and that GameStop is exempt from this rule.
TiberiusWoodwind
He wrote a post called “2022 year of moass” and another on why bbby was RC’s kill shot. The amc stuff was back in like 2021 but he had comments on that sub along the lines of “I think amc is the real play and the only reason I chat with GME folks is they occasionally have good ideas”
Ok, own self reflection story time.
Way back at the beginning, I suspected that my top line was a real line in the sand. Then critical margin comes out and folks start treating it like it’s gospel. And when folks really over hype something I begin to question it because I have this running belief that anytime something gets too popular on ss it likely means it’s wrong. Anywho I’m working on trying to figure out why it’s a line right, because why would it work like that when nothing moves in a line. I could understand a curve, wave, some type of irregular shape, but not a line.
Ok so then another person writes a dd on how they’ve deduced the shorts margin requirement and they claim anything past the line would blow them up. Ein comments on it how great the post is. Well I’m a buzz kill and dig into the post only to discover that this mathematical proof op had done was really just an ass backwards method of determining a slope based on 2 points he chose. I couldn’t find evidence anywhere that his equation existed as a method of solving for margin requirement. And not for nothing but that post is still in like top 20 of upvoted ss DD’s despite its entirely bullshit.
Then another dd pops up where op insists that Ken is pumping the entire market to keep GME below some line. They provide like 4 posts worth of charts as proof. Again, this was another math fuck up but this one deals with X/Y graphs where one asset is WAY more volatile than the other. Because GME has such enormous runs, any chart of (asset)/GME will just look like inverted GME because comparatively they hardly move. So again, multiple bad DD’s all trying to prove the same idea. And when I said nothing will happen when we cross these lines folks disbelieved til we did it twice.
"And when folks really over hype something I begin to question it because I have this running belief that anytime something gets too popular on ss it likely means it’s wrong"
This is the way
I feel like (at least assuming the metrics are adequately representative of reality), that there is a collective tendency to let our guard down.
When under the same assumptions that an adversary would have all the incentive to create confusion, false hope, and frustration while gaslighting people into thinking that everyone is just moving goalposts around.
Details are important. And I appreciate you for being one of the ones who takes the time to dig into them.
TBH a lot of the reaction seems like "I don't like the result therefore I choose to attack it."
Before, I saw a lot of heavy handed criticism around computershared.net's projections. That we should only trust what GameStop reports. Today, we are not supposed to trust the data straight out of GameStop?
I get that tinfoil and fuckery is part of what makes GME attractive, but let's also bring to the fore other simpler possible explanations that could be the reason, or a combination of it.
Other simple explanations:
Times are tough. Apes are mostly retail. DRSing over $1M worth of shares to move the 75.4 is difficult now because of real priorities.
Constant infighting/gatekeeping over a varied bunch of topics has stymied growth. Maybe we aren't onboarding new apes, or we are losing the interest of old ones. Maybe both.
To qualify, I'm not discrediting the idea that the numbers could be fake/compromised. But I do think it's a slippery slope to be on that pushes the needle further into blackpill territory (not sure if I'm using this right @ProgVirus@Lairian -Flairy Type- ).
As a discord mod I maintain (as is my nature anyway) a very centrist view across topics because I also believe that's how we can on-board the most apes under the no wrong way to ape rule.
I think something seems fucky AND tinfoil is a slippery slope into an unverifiable wilderness. Hopefully the impulse to DO SOMETHING is just a greater urgency to DRS. I was raising hell during the HLT debate that turning off auto-purchasing was moving the DRS effort from a fixed expense in the ape budget to a discretionary one, and that in periods of difficulty discretionary gets cut first while fixed expenses are very sticky and prone to remain stable. Took a rash of shit.
Rough_Willow
Also, all it would take would be 100k, not a million to increase from 75.4M to 75.5M.
Depending on how the figures are reported, they could be rounding down or rounding to the nearest. So if they're rounding down, there's between 1 and 99999 shares that needed to be DRS in order to move the needle.
Lots of folks on the sub have an opinion about what RC should purchase first as CIO. So my pic is KO. If we want GME around in 100 years it makes sense to purchase stocks in companies that are likely never going away. I would say a drop of 20% from current price to the $46 range would be a good buy point. I’d expect this to happen 2024 sometime. Every portfolio requires a dividend workhorse. This would be my pick. I’m stating it here only for bragging rights among friends and not putting it out on the sub since we don’t discuss other tickers there.(edited)
Quanatee
I know computershared.net has something like 200K registered accounts though
Someone posted an account number indicating we're up to 217k, but thats also inclusive of all the duplicate account's created by Computershare's stupid system, like when people try to DRS to a Computershare account where you've set a beneficiary and it make you a new number
whattothewhonow
Someone posted an account number indicating we're up to 217k, but thats also inclusive of all the duplicate account's created by Computershare's stupid system, like when people try to DRS to a Computershare account where you've set a beneficiary and it make you a new number
Lots of folks on the sub have an opinion about what RC should purchase first as CIO. So my pic is KO. If we want GME around in 100 years it makes sense to purchase stocks in companies that are likely never going away. I would say a drop of 20% from current price to the $46 range would be a good buy point. I’d expect this to happen 2024 sometime. Every portfolio requires a dividend workhorse. This would be my pick. I’m stating it here only for bragging rights among friends and not putting it out on the sub since we don’t discuss other tickers there. (edited)
Given the increase in popularity of drugs like Ozempic, I think snack and sugary drink companies won't be the best investment opportunity. Especially as airlines are pushing for greater coverage of Ozempic as it'll reduce the average weight of their American passangers.
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Quanatee
I know computershared.net has something like 200K registered accounts though
Sorry, that wasn't serious.
Just an unwarranted dig at the book kings.
8:50 AM
(I do draw a distinction between fine folks that book because why not as they make their financial decisions and Book Kings who push financial advice on castles built on swamp water)
Slightly off topic but related. The review queue box seems to get broken when someone has a hyperlink in the comment. There's got to be a way to strip out the hyperlink before sending it so it doesn't confuse the discord bot
stonkyagraha
Slightly off topic but related. The review queue box seems to get broken when someone has a hyperlink in the comment. There's got to be a way to strip out the hyperlink before sending it so it doesn't confuse the discord bot
The bot is scary to touch so it is what it is at the moment
You can click on the username and find the content on the users page but it's less than ideal I know
Tiberious has his TrT DD and is probably the biggest DD writer here but I've seen you write on the actual subject before. Plus your not a mod so the server wouldnt eat you alive right away.
Stop, my brain needs all the blood my genitals just stole!
4:02 PM
Props for going to an actal bookshop for it though, or thriftstore. Either is good!
LastResortFriend
Tiberious has his TrT DD and is probably the biggest DD writer here but I've seen you write on the actual subject before. Plus your not a mod so the server wouldnt eat you alive right away.
As a steward over there I can say it certainly wasn't while I was online, sorry that happened. As a fellow SCC member... Yeah, I bet it did rofl(edited)
LastResortFriend
As a steward over there I can say it certainly wasn't while I was online, sorry that happened. As a fellow SCC member... Yeah, I bet it did rofl (edited)
Didn’t help that I was drunk at a dirt racetrack watching my buddy in his super modified. But yeah. Mojo figured out who I was, alerted everyone, suddenly it’s a dogpile. It was fun
No kidding, next job was to attract people to bbby.
TiberiusWoodwind
Didn’t help that I was drunk at a dirt racetrack watching my buddy in his super modified. But yeah. Mojo figured out who I was, alerted everyone, suddenly it’s a dogpile. It was fun
I can say it was somewhere in northern ny. But that coulda been anywhere from ogdensberg to lake George. I know I piled in the truck at 9am that day with the rest of the race crew and we were hammered by the time we got there around 1.
Listen. I’ve shat on heat lamp from the beginning because of how many jumps in logic it requires and how 6days blocked anyone questioning him. I get I walked into a hornets nest. But I like fighting and even more so when drunk. Plus I think something else had me fired up but no clue what. Anywho, I emailed CS and Bloomberg this weekend and I’m expecting no reply from either
TiberiusWoodwind
Listen. I’ve shat on heat lamp from the beginning because of how many jumps in logic it requires and how 6days blocked anyone questioning him. I get I walked into a hornets nest. But I like fighting and even more so when drunk. Plus I think something else had me fired up but no clue what. Anywho, I emailed CS and Bloomberg this weekend and I’m expecting no reply from either
After SEC investor relations bulletin said " Plan shares are in DTC" CS and Paul won't comment on the subject. First they need to do a back& forth with the SEC.
Chato35
I already bugged Paul Conn & SEC. Who else you want me to annoy?
lol not just you, everyone. As if we were commenting on an SEC rule change proposal. Pretty sure they'd get to paul real quick for that back and forth with us hollaring for it.(edited)
6:00 PM
Finally running out of steam though, gonna start logging off. Later guys
@Lyrad (Crybad) I think you and I are collecting these, good example of Investopedia misrepresenting the stock split re: Cohen's price and performance:
"GameStop shares have since fallen back to a price only slightly above what they were at the time of Cohen's purchase."
https://archive.is/NVMPe(edited)
ProgVirus
@Lyrad (Crybad) I think you and I are collecting these, good example of Investopedia misrepresenting the stock split re: Cohen's price and performance:
"GameStop shares have since fallen back to a price only slightly above what they were at the time of Cohen's purchase."
https://archive.is/NVMPe(edited)
? I'm not sure where that's coming from in relation to my message above fam. Lyrad and I have been collecting examples of media misportraying the GameStock saga, I was just giving another example
All good! I don't fully agree, but I can respect that perspective given he does have a product to sell and no doubt benefits from Superstonk's audience/attention. On the flip, he did bring attention to the EU's anti-DRS BS via WTI, though Superstonk beat him to the punch on getting that message out
We have enough enemies. I’m of the mind we shouldn’t bite the hand of a helper. If DL starts acting like Pulte then I’ll change my mind. Dr. T is awesome but she’s a purist and most everyone falls short of her standards of excellence. Ivory tower living is not the way to form a coalition.
It took us a few months to start - refining our ideas, engaging with supporters, surveying the existing landscape, and starting to design a better platform for research, sharing and education. We decided to raise a round of crowd equity funding, and that consumed far more time and attention than a simple pre-seed round normally would have. Our round was an incredible success, ultimately raising about $1.25M from about 1,350 investors.
6:03 AM
Dave seems like a pretty transparent guy, if you emailed him and asked him specific questions, I'd bet he'd answer
i looked again into the links from the report bot going to new.reddit.com and found a solution that works for me.
Chrome browser extension called Redirector, it automatically switches the new.reddit.com url to old.reddit.com, at least when I'm on desktop
might not be a big deal for others, but literally the only time I want to see new reddit is when I'm opening the comment from a user that blocked me in an incognito window
whattothewhonow
i looked again into the links from the report bot going to new.reddit.com and found a solution that works for me.
Chrome browser extension called Redirector, it automatically switches the new.reddit.com url to old.reddit.com, at least when I'm on desktop
might not be a big deal for others, but literally the only time I want to see new reddit is when I'm opening the comment from a user that blocked me in an incognito window
There was some talk of DRS numbers as related to the Bloomberg terminal that PB has access to. He mentions other things with RC shares being off. There is more investigation PB says he’s delving into.
It's not even that. 6days told both Goldie and I that he would post it on Superstonk, so we kept removing all the HLT posts that weren't posted by him (which led to the supression narrative)
Anyone else think that giveaway posts that gatekeep on compromising your security by posting DRS positions to qualify are problematic? Example:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Superstonk/s/vE5c9Kkd2X
Hip shot, but it's the weekend when giveaways are allowed and this is a reasonable amount of time to have set up and organized a giveaway if spurred by anger over DRS flatness.
I'm willing to go organic on this one.
Chato35
Why not? I mean anything that happens in this sub makes sense to you ?
Because if it's a concern now something changed, I'd like to know what.
Diznavis
Anyone else think that giveaway posts that gatekeep on compromising your security by posting DRS positions to qualify are problematic? Example:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Superstonk/s/vE5c9Kkd2X
I'm kind of indifferent to it. If someone came into one of those giveaways with bad intentions to make a big enough ripple on collective privacy, they'd be spending a lot pretty quickly. Or getting exposed pretty quickly in the comments. At this point, I don't think the notion of $100 is suddenly going to compel someone to do something different than what they believe to be right after all this time.
But looking into this specific instance a little more, hypothetically at the same time, if the giftcard winner will anonymous every single time, that is in fact an exploit without adequate balance.
10:34 AM
You aren't revealing anything compromising by saying which account actually was sent your redemption codes.
Diznavis
Anyone else think that giveaway posts that gatekeep on compromising your security by posting DRS positions to qualify are problematic? Example:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Superstonk/s/vE5c9Kkd2X
There's plenty of people who don't show their circles anymore after what happened last year with the ledger and realizing their reddit handle could get cross referenced to their irl name by their share counts
7:06 AM
But, just like signing up for any giveaway, you volunteer your information
Seems like it might be a misunderstanding, target not actually allowing malicious search engine optimization, just people probably intentionally boosting an actual product, but it's a horrible look and I really wish he had thought twice before posting
Yup.
King Snake Jones has pulled up the book, and it's a collection of essays expressing frustration that the author can only get gigs writing about past-tense Jewish and not living ones.
I don't see blame for stocking it, I don't see why the recommendations on auto completion wouldn't be positive to drive awareness.
12:12 PM
I'm guessing RC saw it, had our reaction, posted, clicked through, realized it's actually kind of a good thing, and deleted.
But people only read the headlines so ...
It's a pun for earnings is it not? He hit target metaphorically speaking and hit his target for earnings. iirc he kept chewy from profitability until the infrastructure was completed.
We got a number of yikes early in.
I think end of day it was really one red pill thing that didn't make much sense, and a word salad I think I just don't iykyk enough to decipher.(edited)
So a thought had just occured to me. Perhaps some additional nuances are getting lost in the whole polarization from the book and plan thing. We all kind of know the willfully overlooked collective cost of "selling the dingleberries" . However, if one were to take the extreme reverse and say "automatic buys are the way", are there any weakness to that. Are the scheduled broker buys more susceptible to frontrunning? If so, why isn't that a focus of discussion more than the extremely speculative.
Fundamentalism is born out of fear and insecurity. No fundamentalist believes themselves a fundamentalist, but instead a pure version of something others aren’t grasping or working hard enough at.
8:52 AM
They confuse correct practice with myopia. Book Kings exemplify this.
The Book Kings are so singular in their focus, of course they are going to beat that drum as much as they can. They believe whole heartedly that they are right (and very well could be).
The issue is that DRS is only a slice of the pie in what Superstonk is about. It is an important part of this saga, but aren’t the whole saga. They have places they can go and be as focused they want on this one issue, but Superstonk as a whole shouldn’t be as tunnel visioned.(edited)
8:54 AM
Putting ALL eggs in one basket or one idea isn’t the smartest idea imo. We have no idea how this is going to end. There could be Computershare fuckery, there could be options fuckery, there could be straight broker fuckery. Who knows.
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stonkyagraha
So a thought had just occured to me. Perhaps some additional nuances are getting lost in the whole polarization from the book and plan thing. We all kind of know the willfully overlooked collective cost of "selling the dingleberries" . However, if one were to take the extreme reverse and say "automatic buys are the way", are there any weakness to that. Are the scheduled broker buys more susceptible to frontrunning? If so, why isn't that a focus of discussion more than the extremely speculative.
CS buys are aggregated. The reason we see them typically get a worse fill price than the rest of the day is because all that volume forms lots that actually effect ticker price
The mod team made an impassioned plea with the drsyourgme group about a year ago about not pushing Mainstar as "the" way to DRS your IRA shares. The amount of modfud that came from that was unbelievable. And look what happened.
8:56 AM
No one (mods, drsyourgme, normal users, Rough Willow) is right 100% of the time
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Lyrad (Crybad)
Putting ALL eggs in one basket or one idea isn’t the smartest idea imo. We have no idea how this is going to end. There could be Computershare fuckery, there could be options fuckery, there could be straight broker fuckery. Who knows.
Yea outside of the obvious organizing issues calls to action are exceptionally problematic, because it forces people into a single box that can be predicted easier
People tend to forget that everyone is in GME for different reasons and want to acquire shares based on how they believe the market works.
DRSing - The drsyourgme group wants everyone to book their shares only. They believe that this is the only way to keep the shares out of the DTCC since “operational efficiently” in many of their minds means 100% of your shares are vulnerable to fuckery. You see the push back on using reoccurring buys and not terminating them every month.
Pros – they might be right
Cons – it sets yet another barrier for entry and causes a lot of purity tests amongst the community
Price discovery – With odd lots and internalization not having effect on the price, buying via IEX or being part of the Computershare autobuys has been shown to have effect on price. Many believe that in order to keep the bigger players from just having their way with the price at all times, there needs to be some positive pressure applied and these are 2 ways to do it (options being a third, but lol on trying to get that accepted).
Pros – low barrier for entry, autobuys are very set-it-and-forget-it.
Cons – Possible front running the CS buy. Issues buying solely via the IEX route because of lack of liquidity in their $GME stock.
RC and RC tinfoil – People believe that RC is speaking directly to them. While this will never be proven (unless there’s a tell-all book post-moass), people are investing in how they believe he would want them to.
Pros - …. No comment
Cons – Also no comment
Lyrad (Crybad)
No one (mods, drsyourgme, normal users, Rough Willow) is right 100% of the time
You see a lot of pushback for Superstonk having the mantra of "there's no wrong way to hold" (on twitter, other discords, etc.) This is a hill I will die on though. To be as inclusive for anyone who wants to jump into this epic saga.
Lyrad (Crybad)
You see a lot of pushback for Superstonk having the mantra of "there's no wrong way to hold" (on twitter, other discords, etc.) This is a hill I will die on though. To be as inclusive for anyone who wants to jump into this epic saga.
It’s holiday break. Folks have the free time to spend with their families, enjoy winter activities, and take care of themselves. And instead of that they vie for clout on Reddit
5:32 PM
Oh if only Santa had room in his sack for all the karma they craved
Thats the funny part. You can quit. You can even keep holding and quit. But instead we show up to fight a blob that grows the more you fight. I’m honestly not sure why I keep doing it.
I dont want to be the guy to defend KW. I believe he has an unsound mind and has gone down a few rabbit holes to some strange conclusions. I hope he finds a path back and it’s not just an ego trip, but with an unsound mind even apologies are an ego trip.
I do like it. Except is the ∞ thread still a thing? I haven't heard of it in like a year, but I'd personally have a good laugh in the very unlikely scenario that RC somehow jumps into that right after it gets implemented.
I ended up locking the Twitter post after removing an oven 'joke' and a couple other very bad comments. Replying to Kanye West apologizing for his antisemitism with a Teddy book.. why RC why
The irony considering we’re talking about the same crowd that forcibly pushed the idea of putting everything in a single place
I wonder where this leads “You must be 100% in Computershare” → “You must be 100% in book” → ?
Keep in mind, for over a whole year the whole game theory of selling being inconceivable being subtly undermined. “Oh it’s ok, those shares at your brokers aren’t real anyway” → “They’re only fractionals, selling them protects the rest of your investment” → ?
Wut next?
The same crowd who thinks ss is trash, mods are sus, place is ded, Reddit is corrupt anyway and they should be on a decentralized platform….and still shows up to post and comment daily.
I am 99% sure that they're just here to siphon users to their lemmy and "donations"-OK space.
I am also dealing with chronic pain making me a jerk so...
Lemmy? You mean the site that seems to be down weekly and they can never quite figure out why but sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn’t? Clearly it just can’t handle the dozens of active users at once.
=X
I hadn't heard they were having tech issues keeping it up
stonkyagraha
The irony considering we’re talking about the same crowd that forcibly pushed the idea of putting everything in a single place
I wonder where this leads “You must be 100% in Computershare” → “You must be 100% in book” → ?
Keep in mind, for over a whole year the whole game theory of selling being inconceivable being subtly undermined. “Oh it’s ok, those shares at your brokers aren’t real anyway” → “They’re only fractionals, selling them protects the rest of your investment” → ?
Wut next?
Really is incredible though. Earlier this week it was a bunch of cheering because of PB’s poll asking if ss mods were compromised. Well where are those 1200 votes? Not discord, not Lemmy. Nope, they come right back to ss. They’ve spent a year trying to tell as many people as possible about Lemmy and it got a couple dozen avg users. It’s a small handful of grumps that hate how ss doesn’t allow them to tell other people what to do with their investment. And they find it completely bewildering that anyone might disagree with them unless that person is a paid shill/corrupt/sus/bad actor. Oh, and either totally oblivious to their own self sabotage or just unwilling to admit to it.
Imagine sitting with the same handful of people all day, repeating what each other says, and insisting the world is against them. What does that sound like?
Is maintaining status quo the best move? Or calling it out/addressing it?
TiberiusWoodwind
Really is incredible though. Earlier this week it was a bunch of cheering because of PB’s poll asking if ss mods were compromised. Well where are those 1200 votes? Not discord, not Lemmy. Nope, they come right back to ss. They’ve spent a year trying to tell as many people as possible about Lemmy and it got a couple dozen avg users. It’s a small handful of grumps that hate how ss doesn’t allow them to tell other people what to do with their investment. And they find it completely bewildering that anyone might disagree with them unless that person is a paid shill/corrupt/sus/bad actor. Oh, and either totally oblivious to their own self sabotage or just unwilling to admit to it.
Imagine sitting with the same handful of people all day, repeating what each other says, and insisting the world is against them. What does that sound like?
Keep letting them be them. The way they act is a better wrinkle repellent then anything we could do. Who with a brain is gonna take a group seriously with the mindset of “Paul isn’t honest with us because of some secret legal reason. GME doesn’t have correct numbers because of some secret legal reason. SEC/FINRA changed their wording because of some secret legal reason.”(edited)
Since it appears we don't already, maybe "label" could be good? ️ It's the best I got. If someone has something better, maybe a quick way to guage would be to sticky the ideal one here. Or just give me a If I'm jumping to things too quickly haha
Have to put that post off til tomorrow, I just finished work for the day and am exhausted, would rather have people around to be able to answer questions etc
There would still be the problem of needing to wait for legal to filter the answers though right? Like I said, I'll ask them.
I'll also gather up any questions any banned folks over there might have and give em to ya, you may like one or two so it's worth checking on I think.
We've actually had calls directly with a contact at computershare and asked pages of questions, some of which they answer (eventually, after lawyers wordsmith it, probably) and some they don't.
I can't recall exactly who on the team was on this particular call, but we actually brought up that RC's Twitter had the stuff as one bit of the evidence for book.
We have no way of knowing what happened next or if it was a coincidence entirely... But our contact laughed out loud and a few days later the tag was removed from RCs Twitter after having been there for some time.
Pointless story aside, we've asked very pointed questions and received pretty watery responses.
Sup SCC! Happy new year! sorry I've been away! Thank you all for kicking so much ass. You're perspectives and opinions are truly awesome. I'm grateful for you all. I hope this new year brings you love and joy!
I totally get frustration at the behavior patters, mirrored, I assure you.
Specific callouts from posts on another sub just seem new to me, that's all.
Just wanting to make sure you're okay, and it's not bleedover from other things.
Super routinely is wrong about everything. So knowing he is supportive of a DRSGME post does give me a bit of a chuckle, especially when it’s LetTheGMEBegin/bob’s reaction post to me telling him yesterday that assuming CS is being lied to by their broker is a bad method of making claims.
Idk, I get a chuckle seeing two folks I assume are wrong interact with each other.(edited)
Probably worth trying to adhere to Rule 1 of Superstonk as much as we can when communicating here too. A lot of us have gotten very comfortable with each other here and that's genuinely lovely but it's definitely not just Chato dropping the occasional ad hominem.
Anyone can share what we say and we're looking to you all to be community representatives if not ambassadors at times. So we can relax and let our hair down but let's try to be nice/respectful even to those that aren't here whenever we can.
Besides you'll always make the subject of your ire look like far more of a clown by pointing out all the cracks in their arguments/behaviour than you ever would with an insult/personal attack.
(this is not a telling off but a PSA prompted by the above discussion)
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FluffyTrex
Probably worth trying to adhere to Rule 1 of Superstonk as much as we can when communicating here too. A lot of us have gotten very comfortable with each other here and that's genuinely lovely but it's definitely not just Chato dropping the occasional ad hominem.
Anyone can share what we say and we're looking to you all to be community representatives if not ambassadors at times. So we can relax and let our hair down but let's try to be nice/respectful even to those that aren't here whenever we can.
Besides you'll always make the subject of your ire look like far more of a clown by pointing out all the cracks in their arguments/behaviour than you ever would with an insult/personal attack.
(this is not a telling off but a PSA prompted by the above discussion)